Hugh rendering difference (in size) between Movie Studio 10 and 16

Klaas-Wijchman wrote on 3/21/2020, 1:24 PM

I rendered a project file in Sony Vegas Movie Studio 10, which created a MP4 file, 7.3 MB, 1:08 min, 640x480, 25fps, Data Rate 755kbps. (Original MOV file from 2009 had the same dimensions (640x480).

Rendering the same project in Vegas Movie Studio 16.0 Platinum (Build 175), all is the same, except that the filesize is anywhere between 14 MB and 101 MB, depending on the Profile setting (Baseline, Main or High) using the codec format Sony AVC/MVC and using Template “Internet 640x480-25p”. Depending on the Profile settings, the data rate is between 1634 and 11985 kbps !

I am totally happy with the quality of the Studio 10 rendered file (7.3MB), so I wish to have this again, when using Studio 16. (have to do a lot more of those old files that I didn’t do in Studio 10 yet...)

I remember, that in Studio 10, the codec format Sony AVC/MVC was available, but there also was a more general Internet MP4 codec, which I used. Don’t know the exact name, because I don’t have Video 10 on my PC anymore.

Where can I find this general Internet MP4 codec and/or how to plug it into Video 16, or which settings to use to create more or less the same quality file that I had with a size around 7-8 MB ??

Thanks for any help !!

PS. Studio 10 was on Windows 7, Studio 16 now is on Windows 10.

 

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j-v wrote on 3/21/2020, 4:02 PM

For sure also possible in VMS 16 Pl.
Go to Make Movie >>>Save to my hardrive>>> Mp4 and choose this and also the customized settings

You will get a video with this MediaInfo


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Klaas-Wijchman wrote on 3/22/2020, 5:32 AM

Thank You !!!

Who would have thought that a combination of 1280x720-30p, and then picking the Frame Size NTSC square pixels 640x480 would do the job. Excellent !

Thank you very much / Hartelijk bedankt !

j-v wrote on 3/22/2020, 6:08 AM

Glad I could help you, but I have question because VMS PL 16 has a lot better renderpossibilities: Do you use a Graphic Card on your used hardware?

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Klaas-Wijchman wrote on 3/22/2020, 11:42 AM

Thank you for your interest. Yes I do, recently I had to buy a new PC and I ordered the "Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 Super Gaming OC 3X 8G, 8192 MB GDDR6". I'm not the gaming type at all, but this was supposed to do a good job on video rendering as well, and also the 32GB RAM helps to have a smooth handling.

In VMS PL 16, under Video Preferences, I defined to use this card, so what other 'tricks' could I use to improve the render qualities ?

Thanks,

Klaas W.

j-v wrote on 3/22/2020, 12:01 PM

If you use the latest Studio drivers for that GPU

the help in Options/Preferences/Video is very good.
Rendering with help of that GPU (NVENC) goes with me 8 times faster than with the old Mainconcept or Sony AVC codecs.
Look for the templates only for AVC with the Magix AVC codec

 

BTW misschien handiger om lid te worden van ons Nederlandse Vegas Forum waar je al dit soort zaken gewoon kunt vinden en vragen: https://www.vegas-videoforum.nl/

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Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 451.48 Studio Driver, desktop the Studio DHC driver
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Klaas-Wijchman wrote on 3/22/2020, 12:21 PM

OK, bedankt, zal gaan experimenteren met de Magix AVC codecs.

En ik zal me dadelijk aanmelden bij het NLse forum.

Zojuist geprobeerd. In het welkomsbericht staat: "Helaas is het niet meer mogelijk om je als lid aan te melden. We stoppen er binnenkort mee. Wel kun je natuurlijk allerlei topics nog raadplegen."

In ieder geval goed te weten dat ik daar veel nuttige info kan vinden, bedankt.

Groeten uit Oostenrijk,

K

j-v wrote on 3/22/2020, 1:09 PM

Zojuist geprobeerd. In het welkomsbericht staat: "Helaas is het niet meer mogelijk om je als lid aan te melden. We stoppen er binnenkort mee. Wel kun je natuurlijk allerlei topics nog raadplegen."

Ben daar lange tijd moderator geweest, maar sinds een jaar niet meer. Ik kan dus niks wijzigen, maar zal deze ongeldige melding even rapporteren zodat hij verwijderd wordt en je kunt aanmelden. E.e.a is veroorzaakt omdat het forum idd. zou stoppen maar het is inmiddels door iemand anders overgenomen die het voortbestaan verzekerd heeft.

Edit :Translation

Just tried. This is in the welcome message: "Unfortunately it is not possible for you as a member to signin, because soon we stop it . Well you can of course consult various topics..

Been there long time a moderator, but since one year no more. So I cannot change anything, but this invalid message will I just report that it must be removed and you can sign up.This is caused because the forum would stop, but it is now someone else adopted that ensured survival.

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Klaas-Wijchman wrote on 3/24/2020, 6:53 AM

OK, zal af en toe kijken om te zien of ik me al kan registreren, bedankt !

Vanochtend is 'automatisch' een nieuwe NVIDIA driver geinstalleerd (Game Driver). Is het dan toch zinvol om de Studio driver te installeren die enige dagen ouder is ?

j-v wrote on 3/24/2020, 9:45 AM

Ja want ook volgens de ontwikkelaars van Vegas, die nauw samenwerken met Nvidia, is de Studio driver het beste en stabielste voor gebruik in Vegas omdat de gamedrivers te vaak worden vernieuwd zonder verbeteringen voor video makers.

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Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 16,17 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 451.48 Studio Driver, desktop the Studio DHC driver
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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Klaas-Wijchman wrote on 3/25/2020, 10:28 AM

Ah, OK, bedankt, goed te weten. Zal vanavond proberen de drivers te installeren, heb al gedownload. ThankU !

Michael-Slusher wrote on 3/25/2020, 5:05 PM

Isn't this the English forum? If not, please tell me where it is. I do not read German and I would like to benefit from this discussion. Thanks!

vkmast wrote on 3/25/2020, 5:37 PM

@Michael-Slusher re Chrome, see this. (Btw, some of this discussion is in Dutch actually.)

j-v wrote on 3/25/2020, 5:42 PM

Isn't this the English forum? If not, please tell me where it is. I do not read German and I would like to benefit from this discussion. Thanks!

Yess this is the english part of the forum, but all things the maybe are important for other members I translated already in the comments.😄

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Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 2004 build 19041.264, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 16,17 and VMS PL 16,17 are installed, all latest builds
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 451.48 Studio Driver, desktop the Studio DHC driver
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEMCELL DONOR !!!

Klaas-Wijchman wrote on 3/26/2020, 6:25 AM

Sorry, my fault, I apologise, shouldn't have started to write in Dutch just because there was another Dutch person 'on the other side of the line'.

Won't happen again. As j-v explained, he already translated all relevant stuff.

Sorry.