Main Concept Render Template in VP 11 Build 594

Kimberly wrote on 3/24/2012, 8:44 PM
Hello All:

VP 11 Build 594 in Windows 7 here.

Has anyone else noticed that the Main Concept DVD Architect NTSC Widescreen Video Stream and DVD Architect NTSC Video Stream templates are upper field first and not lower field first. This causes the template not to have an equals ( = ) sign in front of it when your project properties are set to NTSC DV. I'm pretty sure the prior build of VP 11 was lower field first for these render templates.

I made a custom Main Concept render template with lower field first, but I wonder if this is necessary if the Project tab of the customize render template option overrides the upper/lower field if you have selected "Use Project Settings" for the video rendering quality?

Regards,

Kimberly

Comments

Former user wrote on 3/24/2012, 8:23 PM
Yeah, that changed with V11. You have to make a custom version with LFF. Dont' know why the changed it.

Dave T2
John_Cline wrote on 3/24/2012, 9:37 PM
It probably changed when Upper Field First source footage became more the norm. Lower Field First is pretty much only used for DV, but more and more people are using HDV and AVCHD as source material and in those cases both the project and the encoding settings would be Upper Field First.
ushere wrote on 3/25/2012, 12:36 AM
while we're on the subject of main concept - is there any advantage, and will vegas recognize the more advanced codec offered directly by main concept, eg. mpg2 and h.246/avc for example?
John_Cline wrote on 3/25/2012, 1:41 AM
Unlikely, SCS licences the SDK (software developers kit) from Main Concept and tweaks and compiles it to their own needs.
ushere wrote on 3/25/2012, 6:02 AM
thanks jc.
diverG wrote on 3/25/2012, 4:42 PM
PAL Land
Timeline correctly set to UFF (source HDV from tape) .m2t. files.
Is it really necessary to create a custom template with UFF set. when rendering for DVDA widescreen video stream?

The comparable VP10 video stream is LFF by default. Not convinced there is a change between VP10->11.

Geoff



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Former user wrote on 3/25/2012, 5:42 PM
Geoff, don't quite understand what you mean.

In Vegas 11, the default for NTSC Mpegs template is now UFF. In all previous versions it was LFF.

Dave T2
vkmast wrote on 3/26/2012, 2:04 AM
The default for PAL Mpeg templates is still LFF in VPro 11.

From VP 11 Release notes:
Notable fixes/changes in version 11.0 (Build 424/425)
From VP11 Help (still same as in 10 Help)
Upper field first

Seems to be in line with what everybody's saying above.
PeterDuke wrote on 3/26/2012, 5:55 AM
It is interesting that if you create a new project with NTSC DV it defaults to LFF as it should. When you then render to DVDA, why can't it default to the same setting as the project (LFF) if both UFF and LFF are acceptable?
diverG wrote on 3/26/2012, 9:53 AM
@DaveT2

Typo Should have read 'Is it really necessary to create a custom template with UFF set. when rendering for DVDA widescreen video stream?'

I have always rendered to DVD widescreen video stream using the default template and assumed it to be correct. Noting Kimberley's post I checked the render settings for PAL and noted they were LFF.
VP10 is exactly the same.

Have just dropped some 60i m2t clips on a matched timeline and selected to render mainconcept DVD Arc** NTSC widescreen video stream and the default is UFF as stated by Kimberley, whilst VP10 gives LFF as default.

Why the change for NTSC and what is the correct setting for PAL?


Geoff

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Former user wrote on 3/26/2012, 10:06 AM
I don't know why they changed the default.

Technically a DVD can be either UFF or LFF. Generally, it is best to match the field order with your source material. Since DV-AVIs have always been LFF first, then normally you would make your DVD LFF. When capturing from a 720 x 486 source, most of the time your video is UFF, so your DVD would be UFF.

If you are converting from HD, the it really doesn't matter. the HD material is being completely redrawn and so UFF or LFF is your choice. Apparently SCS has decided since HD is normally UFF and a lot of people are downconverting to DVD, then to save confusion, they have defaulted the MPEG DVD Standard Definition to UFF.

Dave T2
Kimberly wrote on 3/31/2012, 1:26 AM
It probably changed when Upper Field First source footage became more the norm. Lower Field First is pretty much only used for DV, but more and more people are using HDV and AVCHD as source material and in those cases both the project and the encoding settings would be Upper Field First.

I've been puzzling over this during the past week and wondered if this was indeed the case. But does the Advanced Video tab in the render template override the Vide tab based on whatever is checked in the Advanced Video tab? Seems like it should but you never know . . .