NVidia RTX 2080 vs. 3080, what can I expect to improve?

Rich Parry wrote on 9/7/2020, 12:50 AM

Out of curiosity, I was wondering ... if I had two identical PCs, one with the Nvidia RTX 2080 and one with the RTX 3080 to be released later this month, what improvement, if any, can I expect to see in Vegas Pro 18. Forget about money, this is about performance. Would I expect to see faster renders, faster previews? I am not expecting to buy either at this time, this is a nerd question.

Below is the NVideo hype, it sounds good, but what does it really mean in the real world of Vegas Pro 18?

... faster 2nd gen Ray Tracing Cores, faster 3rd gen Tensor Cores, and new streaming multiprocessors that together bring stunning visuals, faster frame rates, and AI acceleration for gamers and creators.

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fr0sty wrote on 9/7/2020, 12:52 AM

More than twice, nearly 3x the power under the hood. RTX 2080 had 2944 CUDA cores, RTX 3080 has 8,704, running at the same frequency, and with 2 extra GB of much faster RAM.

We haven't seen a more "bang for the buck" upgrade from one generation to the next in a very long time. Nvidia partnered with Samsung on a new 8nm fab process, and this resulted in them being able to fit much more onto the same size chip, or make the same chips much cheaper. Since AMD was starting to become a threat, they opted to cram as much onto the same size chips as possible, then pass the savings onto the consumer, so their $500 RTX 3070 card is more powerful (45% more compute power) than a 2080ti.

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fr0sty wrote on 9/7/2020, 1:03 AM

As for what this means in real world VEGAS performance, you'll notice it the most in timeline acceleration of GPU supported effects. As for as NVENC and NVDEC go, I'm not sure if those chips got an upgrade from the RTX 20 series or if they're the same ones, so there may not be much improvement with encoding and decoding of video... but playback performance will benefit greatly, you should get much smoother playback from the timeline, especially on fx heavy projects that use GPU accelerated effects. External plugins like Neat Video that use the GPU will also see a huge boost.

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AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Former user wrote on 9/7/2020, 3:15 AM

As for as NVENC and NVDEC go, I'm not sure if those chips got an upgrade from the RTX 20 series or if they're the same ones, so there may not be much improvement with encoding and decoding of video..

They'd be talking about it if the card got HEVC 4:2:2 decode, instead only thing they have to mention is new AV1 hardware decode. The NVENC would seem to be turing version

Former user wrote on 9/7/2020, 3:42 AM

 

Out of curiosity, I was wondering ... if I had two identical PCs, one with the Nvidia RTX 2080 and one with the RTX 3080 to be released later this month, what improvement, if any, can I expect to see in Vegas Pro 18. Forget about money, this is about performance. Would I expect to see faster renders, faster previews? I am not expecting to buy either at this time, this is a nerd question.

 

3080 is rumoured to be on average 38% faster than a 2080ti at CUDA processing and 41% faster with OpenCL. This could mean a huge performance increase with Davinci Resolve which uses a lot of GPU. I don't know how much of a difference it will make with Vegas which doesn't use much GPU.

JN- wrote on 9/7/2020, 7:52 AM

@Former user Watch out for the Guru3D review, near the end of the month. They use a battery of tests, but one is a vegas pro encode render.

one is a vegas pro encode render” .. Correction: That appears to be for CPU reviews only.

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BruceUSA wrote on 9/7/2020, 11:21 AM

RTX 3080 specs impressive. Really wanting to try out this new card, but I must resist not to spent the $$$ yet. My over all system configuration still working so good as its stand. I will likely building a new high end AMD system with Nivida top end card in a couple yrs from now.

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Deathspawner wrote on 9/7/2020, 4:18 PM

I posted a VP18 performance article earlier, and will be updating it with RTX 3080 results when that embargo lifts: 

https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

I can't talk specifics, but whereas Radeon Navi took months to be supported in VP, this NVIDIA transition is going to be much more seamless.

fr0sty wrote on 9/7/2020, 4:32 PM

I was waiting on a new GPU to do my full system upgrade... going 16 core AMD with a 3090 now.

Former user wrote on 9/7/2020, 6:55 PM

 When looking at the first few frames of our basic scenes test, which begins with birds hopping around on some beach chairs, we noticed that the AMD output had color noise and artifacting in parts, whereas they weren’t seen on NVIDIA. This all clears up within a second or two, and both outputs from AMD and NVIDIA are basically equal thereafter.

@Deathspawner Did that only happen with the 5000 series AMD cards?

Interesting to see how fast their hardware encoders are now. I need to find a comparison for the quality aspect in comparison to previous series AMD and NVENC

fr0sty wrote on 9/10/2020, 3:16 PM

Here's some leaked gaming benchmarks showing the 3080 bests the 2080 super by at least 50% in most titles. The 3090 should double that advantage.

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/first-leaked-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ampere-gpus-gaming-benchmarks/

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Former user wrote on 9/11/2020, 6:43 PM

external plugins like Neat Video that use the GPU will also see a huge boost.

These details were posted on the 3rd of September, which is unusual, so maybe it's Nvidia using the Neat Video Benchmark. Following is for 1080P Temporal Radius 2

https://blog.neatvideo.com/post/rtx-3080

 

 

fr0sty wrote on 9/11/2020, 6:53 PM

That's a significant jump.

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Rich Parry wrote on 9/14/2020, 1:19 AM

Reviews of the RTX 3080 are becoming available online, here is one that is limited to physical specs which may be of interest.

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Richvideo wrote on 9/18/2020, 5:48 PM

I posted a VP18 performance article earlier, and will be updating it with RTX 3080 results when that embargo lifts: 

https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

I can't talk specifics, but whereas Radeon Navi took months to be supported in VP, this NVIDIA transition is going to be much more seamless.

Hi, now that the embargo is lifted did you get a chance to put together a detail list of benchmarks for Vegas 18 using the RTX 3080?

Reyfox wrote on 9/19/2020, 12:57 PM

From Techgage website about the RTX 3080:

"An important note on general creator performance: We quickly tested things like SPECviewperf, Adobe Premiere Pro, MAGIX Vegas Pro, and so on, but didn’t find the performance to be so notably different on the RTX 3080 (vs. 2080 Ti) that it warranted full retesting of the stack. We’ll get those other benchmarks tested in the meantime for a fuller look down-the-road. For video encoding, don’t expect any significant gains right now unless you heavily use GPU-accelerated filters."

https://techgage.com/article/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-rendering-performance/

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fr0sty wrote on 9/19/2020, 1:06 PM

This is expected, because the NVENC chip remains the same on the 3080, though there is some additional format support added for NVDEC, so perhaps it gets some upgrades.

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Musicvid wrote on 9/19/2020, 2:00 PM

Out of curiosity, I was wondering ... if I had two identical PCs, one with the Nvidia RTX 2080 and one with the RTX 3080 to be released later this month, what improvement, if any, can I expect to see in Vegas Pro 18. 

In Vegas, you say? I predict the answer will be, "Not much."

Threads are threads. Possibly a slight chance of improvement when using HEVC, but not AVC.

fred-w wrote on 9/19/2020, 6:17 PM

From Techgage website about the RTX 3080:

"An important note on general creator performance: We quickly tested things like SPECviewperf, Adobe Premiere Pro, MAGIX Vegas Pro, and so on, but didn’t find the performance to be so notably different on the RTX 3080 (vs. 2080 Ti) that it warranted full retesting of the stack. We’ll get those other benchmarks tested in the meantime for a fuller look down-the-road. For video encoding, don’t expect any significant gains right now unless you heavily use GPU-accelerated filters."

https://techgage.com/article/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-rendering-performance/

Well, I'd take 2080 ti perfomance for $699 on a NEW platform ALL DAY LONG AND TWICE ON SUNDAYS. (the 2080 ti are selling, new, for $1250 to $2000) Just a note to those who aren't familiar, the frame-per-second playback performance on the 2080 ti (and NOT the other 2080 flavors) -- and with other measurables as well, but for me, FPS is THE most important -- is heads and shoulders above EVERY other pro-sumer card, with just a couple of exceptions in certain categories, and that would be AMD Vega 64 and Radeon VII, and those cards have big power draws and heat issues. 3080, (and 2080 ti) to be fair, also a power grabber, because, well, it's powerful. They seem to have less heat issues.

I see people - and I'd be one - loving Vegas except for the smooth playback being elusive. If you NEED that, you NEED one of these aforementioned cards, (or something more expensive, exotic). end of story.

fr0sty wrote on 9/19/2020, 11:52 PM

I'm definitely giving up my Radeon VII and getting a 3090, which delivers 2x the performance (well, if we go by number of compute units) of the 3080 for the same price as the 2080ti.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Richvideo wrote on 9/20/2020, 7:45 PM

It seems that you don't get that much of a boost between the 2080 ti and the RTX 3080 in Adobe premiere but if you have a 2080 Super card like I do the boost is significant between the cards.

I expect that it might be the same in Vegas 18

Here are some benchmarks

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3080-10GB-Review-Roundup-1879/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro---NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3080-Performance-1871/

Chief24 wrote on 9/25/2020, 6:23 PM

Y'all might want to have a "look-see" at by JayzTwoCents.

For me, think I'll be keeping my Radeon VII(s) for the foreseeable future.

Heck, didn't buy into the Hype to begin with, and I am not buying into all the Hype with the new RDNA2 cards from AMD.

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dream wrote on 10/11/2020, 3:50 AM

I posted a VP18 performance article earlier, and will be updating it with RTX 3080 results when that embargo lifts: 

https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

I can't talk specifics, but whereas Radeon Navi took months to be supported in VP, this NVIDIA transition is going to be much more seamless.

nice but he didnt update the article

I plan on purchasing a rtx 3090 in the near future. Will there be any tests regarding rtx 30 series GPUs when they become available?

 

Rob Williams TG Staff  NicoI • a month ago

We'll update this article once the RTX 3080 embargo lifts :)

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 10/11/2020, 11:51 PM

Looks like those 3000 series cards pull down 100 watts more than the 2080's. The 5700xt on the other hand is longer than most and if big Navi is bigger, might not fit into some cases without surgery. Another issue I saw with the 5700xt is that it's pcie4 bus support was not recognized by Win10 on my older 980x circa 2010 system. Could be an issue with using any of the newer pcie4 boards in older motherboards.

fr0sty wrote on 10/12/2020, 12:10 AM

You have to have a PCIE4 motherboard and compatible CPU to use PCIE4.0 features.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)