OT: Work flow with a ProTools guy

Jessariah67 wrote on 5/18/2020, 6:38 AM

Hey All,

Just wondering what workflow anybody might have found works well. I'm about to go into post on a movie project. Each scene will be its own VEG project. In the past, I have handled all dialogue cleanup and overall mixing inside Vegas - just dropping score cues I got from my composer into the master timeline. But we're at anew level now, and even though I'm still doing the final render in Vegas, I need to have all of the audio work done - including the final mixes - in PT. I'm trying to figure out the best way to set up a workflow that will allow for "tweaking" the timeline (if that comes up - which it likely will) without having to "rebake the entire cake" and retime the audio in PT and render the entire movie's audio tracks over again just because a scne got shortened, added or deleted...

On the movie we finished up last year, my PT guy was working in a single project file, which quickly turned into a nightmare. So I need dialogue cleaned up scene by scene, per character, score placement within Vegas from composer-supplied cues, then the most effective way to send it all out (separated audio tracks) for mixing.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks!
KH

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adis-a3097 wrote on 5/18/2020, 8:09 AM

Is the picture "locked"?

michael-harrison wrote on 5/18/2020, 8:48 AM

Wish there were easier ways to follow a post on here. I don't have any answers for you but I'm definitely interested to hear what others come up with

rraud wrote on 5/18/2020, 8:51 AM

Vegas pro can can export an AAF file , which PTs can import, The AAF will have the audio timeline, events with volume, pan, fades, ect, Like an OMF file, it does contain any plug-ins or the parameters and such.

Jessariah67 wrote on 5/18/2020, 9:11 AM

Is the picture "locked"?

That would make things easier, but it's impractical to make that a requirement until after it's been accepted by the distributor - so I guess the final mix could be performed after acquisition, once everything is actually set, and just be added to the deliverables list...

Vegas pro can can export an AAF file , which PTs can import, The AAF will have the audio timeline, events with volume, pan, fades, ect, Like an OMF file, it does contain any plug-ins or the parameters and such.

rraud - I'll have to look into that. Sounds like an audio verson of an EDL file...Probably needs a mirroed work drive? Thanks again for the input.

Michael - I think there is a way to follow a post. Is there a check box when you post a response?

michael-harrison wrote on 5/18/2020, 9:24 AM

@Jessariah67 nope. I'll just have to remember to keep an eye out for replies :-)

adis-a3097 wrote on 5/18/2020, 9:38 AM

That would make things easier, but it's impractical to make that a requirement until after it's been accepted by the distributor - so I guess the final mix could be performed after acquisition, once everything is actually set, and just be added to the deliverables list...

Excuse me, "the distributor"? Is there no producer? Director? Editor?

Anyways, a moving target is much harder to hit. And more costly.

Good luck! :)

john-brown wrote on 5/18/2020, 10:10 AM

@Jessariah67

Hi,

Have you considered linking Vegas and ProTools in master/slave slave/master using LoopBe1? It uses MIDI Timecode to link the programs.

I haven't used it with Vegas, only with Magix Video Pro X and Samplitude Pro X3 but it should work as Vegas uses MTC. With both programs loaded, pressing play on the master also plays the slave. So, you can go back and forth between the programs to tweak things, like adjusting the duration of an event, cut point, etc. in Vegas, while dubbing, scoring, editing audio in the DAW. Of course you need 2 or more screens to do this.

rraud wrote on 5/18/2020, 3:51 PM

rraud - I'll have to look into that. Sounds like an audio verson of an EDL file...Probably needs a mirroed work drive? Thanks again for the input.

Yes, an EDL.

AAF export (File> Export) has the option to embed the media files or have them separate.

Jessariah67 wrote on 5/18/2020, 5:05 PM

@adis-a3097

Yes, there obviously is a Producer, Director, Editor - but if a distributor has suggestions, I'm certainly not going to dismiss them without consideration. "Finished" and "Found a Home" can be two different things, depending on the circumstances.

vkmast wrote on 5/18/2020, 5:22 PM

Have you tried this below the Post?

Jessariah67 wrote on 5/19/2020, 7:02 AM

@vkmast

You just posted a graphic...

vkmast wrote on 5/19/2020, 7:49 AM

The graphic/screenshot refers to the "Follow" which shows below the original Post at the top of this thread. It turns to "Followed" if you click it. Don't know if it works.

Another graphic

@Jessariah67