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xberk wrote on 1/13/2017, 9:46 PM

Welcome .. I believe only the audio events have a white background. (BTW in Vegas, each item of media is called an event not a clip). As you make selections, each event does highlight on the edges, but audio tracks also take on a color (this color you can change) and all the other audio events that are NOT selected go back to being white. So it is easy to spot which audio tracks are selected and which are not. So the answer is that I don't think you can keep all the audio events their selection color all the time ... Hope you'll tell us how Vegas compares to Premier -- what you like and what you don't like.

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NickHope wrote on 1/13/2017, 9:57 PM

The "normal" background colors of both video and audio unselected events is near white (pale gray). I suggest setting "Thumbnails to show in video events" to "All" then the near-white background will be covered by the thumbnails in video events unless you are zoomed in to frame level.

What other "normal" event color you are seeing?

SubudaiTNG wrote on 1/14/2017, 12:53 PM

Thank you for clearing up the name of the items.

For me, since I only used Premiere, when an event is colored white, it tricks my mind into thinking that these events are the ones that are selected. This is not a real deal breaker per say, was just unusual and was wondering if you had any settings to change it.

 

Some pros and cons right from the start:

Big BIG pro is that I am working with game play footage which is captured using Nvidia's Shadowplay software. This footage comes in variable frame rate, something that Premiere just can't handle. The result when importing it into Premiere is that the game audio and game video gets out of sync. It can start off fine, but will get progressively worse the further into the video I get. My recordings are usually a couple of hours long, most of which will get edited out. Vegas has no issues at all with importing and keeping the sound synced up with the video.

Another big pro for Vegas is that you are able to zoom in on the sound waves really, really close. This helps me with syncing up my voice over with the video.

 

A con for Vegas is that the sound waves on the game audio is hardly visible, unless I enlarge that particular event so it basically takes up my screen. I'll post some comparison images below.

Another con for Vegas is that I find it quite hard to pre-render effects in a easy manner. On Premiere all I would do was press 'Enter' and the video transition that I just put in after a cut in the video, would be rendered.

I could not really find an easy way to do the same thing in Vegas. I will have to play around with it, and perhaps you have some suggestions as well. But when I wanted to pre-render in Vegas, a meny popped up asking me to select a render template, none of which where the same as my video. I record at 2560x1440@60fps.

For my next video I will try and have it record at 1080@60fps, as the end result that goes up on YouTube will be in this resolution anyway. So I could not find a render template that would pre-render at the same settings as my video. Maybe I need to download something extra?

Any help would be appreciated, and I want to thank you both for your replies!

These two images are taken from the same point in the video/audio. In Premiere I can see exactly where and when the game audio goes silent, but I can't see the same thing in Vegas. (Perhaps this is a setting?)

Red Prince wrote on 1/14/2017, 1:15 PM

Did you try zooming the track by pressing the + as seen here:

He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
                    — Lao Tze in Tao Te Ching

Can you imagine the silence if everyone only said what he knows?
                    — Karel Čapek (The guy who gave us the word “robot” in R.U.R.)

xberk wrote on 1/14/2017, 1:19 PM

>> A con for Vegas is that the sound waves on the game audio is hardly visible,

Use Shift+up/down arrow to enlarge/diminish the audio waveforms. This does not change the sound volume, just the waveform.

 

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ByronK wrote on 1/14/2017, 1:34 PM

Another con for Vegas is that I find it quite hard to pre-render effects in a easy manner. On Premiere all I would do was press 'Enter' and the video transition that I just put in after a cut in the video, would be rendered.

You can pre-render sections under Tools.

SubudaiTNG wrote on 1/14/2017, 1:37 PM

@Red Prince

Thanks for your suggestion, although that only alters the track height, which was what I meant I had to do to be able to see them at all.

 

@xberk

Thank you! That did the trick. Now. Is there anyway to just do that on one of the tracks, so my voice over does not enlarge?

 

Again. Thanks for all the help and replies I am getting, and at the speed I am getting it as well!

I must admit that I am a big fan of Adobe's products, and I am having a hard time to let go off Premiere. But I might just abandon it if I manage to work out the small issues I encounter in Vegas. And I am sure they are only issues for me, for the simple fact that I do not know how to set it up properly.

SubudaiTNG wrote on 1/14/2017, 1:39 PM

Another con for Vegas is that I find it quite hard to pre-render effects in a easy manner. On Premiere all I would do was press 'Enter' and the video transition that I just put in after a cut in the video, would be rendered.

You can pre-render sections under Tools.

Tools - Selectively Pre-render Video, right?

That is the one I tried doing, but when I click on it, a template selecting pops up.

I do not know which template to choose in that popup.

Red Prince wrote on 1/14/2017, 2:07 PM

@Red Prince

Thanks for your suggestion, although that only alters the track height, which was what I meant I had to do to be able to see them at all.

And the one below it alters the track width.

He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
                    — Lao Tze in Tao Te Ching

Can you imagine the silence if everyone only said what he knows?
                    — Karel Čapek (The guy who gave us the word “robot” in R.U.R.)

SubudaiTNG wrote on 1/14/2017, 2:30 PM

@Red Prince

Thanks again for trying to help me. When you posted your first suggestion, I actually also did try the button you are showing me now. This however only zooms in all the tracks/scenes which I also can do with the mouse scroll wheel.

But still, I am grateful that your are coming with suggestions!

Red Prince wrote on 1/14/2017, 3:11 PM

You can change the height of any track individually by grabbing its bottom (marked by a red line in the image below) and dragging it down. This does not affect the height of any of the other tracks.

As for the width, all tracks are on the same timeline, so zooming in affects all of them (the width).

He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
                    — Lao Tze in Tao Te Ching

Can you imagine the silence if everyone only said what he knows?
                    — Karel Čapek (The guy who gave us the word “robot” in R.U.R.)

xberk wrote on 1/14/2017, 3:16 PM

>>Tools - Selectively Pre-render Video, right?

Right. Or use Shift + M to bring up the menu.  Pre renders are MXF files by default and it’s true there are a limited number of preset templates.

But – you can create your own render template for MXF format and add it to the list.  Search the Vegas help for “custom templates”.

In your case, I don’t see a way to create a custom render template in your media’s frame size, but you can create a custom template for your final output, 1080p.  In fact, you might try to change your timeline properties ( use File/Properties) to 1080p for editing.  I think it's best to have the timeline properties for editing set to the majority of your media properties and if possible, the same as your final output.  I’d try using your output properties all around. Others may have different ideas for your particular media.    

Concerning transitions.  I hardly ever need to pre render to see how they are working.  Most are fairly smooth.  On occasion, I do use Dynamic Ram preview to see a transition or certain effects played back smoothly.  You do this by dragging a selection of the timeline; then use Shift + B.  Wait for the section to be loaded into memory and then you can play it back.  This is only for a temporary look but it is fast.   

 

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SubudaiTNG wrote on 1/14/2017, 3:38 PM

@xberk

Thanks again.

While I was sleeping, I had my videofile converted into constant frame rate and 1080p@60fps. So now I am editing my video in 1080 instead of the 2K which the raw footage is captured at. I managed to pre-render a transition I made. I prefer to have it pre-rendered as I feel I get a better look at the final product. I will have to tinker with the render templates a bit to find a setting that works. Now, I do wonder two things regarding the pre-rendering.

Will the pre-render template I choose have any impact on the final video, or is it just the preview that will be affected?

Is there a shortcut so that I do not have to go through the selection of a template each time I want to pre-render? I.e can I choose a default pre-render template which Vegas will use whenever I press 'Shift-M'?

 

@Red prince

Thank you for continuing trying to help out. But this is also a step I have already tried and explained here. This was what I meant with having the track take up the whole screen. I need to be able to see the waveform at all times, and at the same time see the rest of my other tracks. 'Shift+Up Arrow' does the job, but I would like to know if it is possible to only enlarge the waves of one of the audio tracks and not all.

SubudaiTNG wrote on 1/14/2017, 3:39 PM

On a little side-note.

I must say that I really like the help I get from Vegas forums! I understand that much of what I am asking for is probably considered basic knowledge for people using Vegas, but none of you is looking down at me for asking them. Just wanted to say that I appreciate what you all are doing for me.

xberk wrote on 1/14/2017, 4:16 PM

>>Will the pre-render template I choose have any impact on the final video, or is it just the preview that will be affected?

No. I don't think it will impact your final render. The pre render is used for the timeline preview. It will also fall out if you change something to impact that pre rendered section. Like I said, I don't prerender much. Someone else may know more.

... I don't think you can use the Shift+Up Arrow on just one audio event. They all get changed.

Thanks for the side-note. Many here contribute. We've all had our problems. Lots of expertise here. Far above me. I like to try to give back a little for all the help I've received over the years.

Learn to use the Forum search. Even a Google search can provide lots of help. The Vegas Help file is always there too. Your notes on Premier are valuable too. Hopefully the best ideas get picked up by Magix and find there way into future versions of Vegas.

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Red Prince wrote on 1/14/2017, 7:09 PM

I would like to know if it is possible to only enlarge the waves of one of the audio tracks and not all.

The last thing I mentioned does exactly that: By dragging the bottom of a track down you enlarge that track and nothing else. But you say you’ve tried that already. I’m sorry, if it doesn’t work on your computer, you have a problem you need to discuss with Magix support, so they can figure out why that feature is not working on your system.

Additionally, you can also drag the audio track itself up and down, to move it, so it is right next to whatever video track you want to watch interacting with it.

He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
                    — Lao Tze in Tao Te Ching

Can you imagine the silence if everyone only said what he knows?
                    — Karel Čapek (The guy who gave us the word “robot” in R.U.R.)

NickHope wrote on 1/14/2017, 8:58 PM
Use Shift+up/down arrow to enlarge/diminish the audio waveforms. This does not change the sound volume, just the waveform.

Thank xberk. My lesson for the day. Wish I'd known (or remembered) that 10 years ago! Would have saved me a lot of normalizing audio/enlarging tracks!

I’m sorry, if it doesn’t work on your computer, you have a problem you need to discuss with Magix support, so they can figure out why that feature is not working on your system.

I guess it works on SubudaiTNG's system but the waveform is so small that the track has to be really tall to see it. I assume the track in question is the upper of the 2 tracks in the screenshots above, which is flatlined in Vegas but visible in Premiere.

Also be aware that you can right click on an audio stream and choose switches > normalize. I do this often for quiet audio, and often follow that by dragging down the gain envelope from the top of the audio event.

Personally I never selectively pre-render video or build dynamic RAM previews.

By the way, why are you leaving Premiere? Subscription?

SubudaiTNG wrote on 1/15/2017, 10:24 AM

@Red Prince

Thanks for going in-depth. Nick Hope is right. It does work on my system, you just misunderstood me from the beginning. But nevertheless, I thank you for your effort in trying to help out!

 

@Nick Hope

I haven't left Premiere, yet. I do really like working in that software as I find it to be more of a "smooth?" experience. But. Adobe Premiere is unable to handle video footage that is recorded with variable frame rate, something which my footage happens to be in. Vegas Pro has no issue with this. I am however able to convert my video into constant frame rate if I run it through a free software called Handbrake. But that means I have to take an extra step in my video editing and it does take a little while when your footage is 3+ hours.

I will try and normalize the audio track as you mentioned. See if it does what I want.

Thanks.

john_dennis wrote on 1/15/2017, 12:12 PM

"In your case, I don’t see a way to create a custom render template in your media’s frame size..."

I seldom pre-render anything, either, but you could customize the Video for Windows template to 2560x1440-60p.

Bring lots of disk space.

Also, it's not necessary to use an external camera for screen grabs.

Strike the Print Screen key.

Open Paint and press Control + V.

Save as .png or .jpg and upload. 

Red Prince wrote on 1/15/2017, 12:26 PM

Strike the Print Screen key.

Open Paint and press Control + V.

Save as .png or .jpg and upload. 

Oh my, there is a much simpler way! Use the Snipping Tool that comes with Windows.

He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
                    — Lao Tze in Tao Te Ching

Can you imagine the silence if everyone only said what he knows?
                    — Karel Čapek (The guy who gave us the word “robot” in R.U.R.)

john_dennis wrote on 1/15/2017, 12:51 PM

True. I use both methods. Some of my habits were formed long, long ago in an operating system far, far away.   

vkmast wrote on 1/15/2017, 1:41 PM

For me, Print Screen keeps something that Snipping Tool does not. I need both methods.

GJeffrey wrote on 1/15/2017, 2:05 PM

For me, Print Screen keeps something that Snipping Tool does not. I need both methods.

Use the delay option in Snipping tool

vkmast wrote on 1/15/2017, 2:06 PM

Thanks GJ. Never thought to read about the option to Esc, Open menu, Ctrl+PrintScreen before Snipping.