Also note that VEGAS Pro 20 comes with Sound Forge Audio Studio 16 and not Sound Forge Pro 16.

This is a link to the latest 64-bit version that you should have a license for (SOUND FORGE Audio Studio 16.1.1.54 (64-bit)):

http://dl04.magix.net/2022/SOUNDFORGEAudioStudio16/SOUND_FORGE_Audio_Studio_16.1.1.54_INT_x64_221206_15-42_624B919C.exe

You could try uninstalling then reinstalling using that link.

Good to hear that you received Soundforge 16 with a Vegas (note that it is from Magix, not Sony). So far I had seen Magix providing older versions of Soundforge with related software updates.

About how to install Soundforge, login to your Magix account and your serials and installations reside in there If for some reason they are nowhere to be found and you do have proof of purchase, contact directly to the Magix emails that you received when doing the purchase/upgrade.

About Spectralayers, now at 2022 it is administered by Steinberg (Not Magix), despite the fact that it still comes bundled with Magix products. Hence you should log in and contact Steinberg for everything Spectralayers.

However, Spectralayers version 3 was released under Sony Creative and this licenses were transferred to Magix back at 2016, when a re-confirmation process was required for us users to redeem and actualize our licenses.
At any case, owning version 3 means one has a license registered and those records still remain in one of two possible places, both still active today in terms of information retrieval: Sony and Magix.
True license owners of early Spectralayers (version 5 or earlier) have had it registtered, and the records still hold, at Sony or Magix websites.

That said, Steinberg Spectralayers upgrades to version 9 stop from version 5 at earliest (if I remember well), so there is not an existing official upgrade path at Steinberg's website for version 3. If this is really your case, I would register there and log in at Spectralayers official forum, where one may contact its main developer with a PM about this.
Hope it helps, Happy Festivities!

Awesome.

Do you think it's worth having specter layers a newer version or do you think the sound forward's audio will work just as fine for an amateur?

Awesome.

Do you think it's worth having specter layers a newer version or do you think the sound forward's audio will work just as fine for an amateur?

Soundforge is ideal for affecting, effecting, slicing, editing, restructuring a master recording, or a mixdown once it left the DAW.

Spectralayers (note the details in its naming) has become a similarly able in terms of allowing deep intervention into a master recording or a mixdown, the difference being that, both; it employs Artificial Intelligence to separate its constituting parts in several ways (by certain instruments, by transient quality, etc) and importantly it works in the spectral realm instead.

Both approaches require a development, a specialization by their user. You basically become good by practice. Fortunately there are plenty of videos and online help for you to self-learn and improve.
You may install trials and then decide what is best suited for you.
Enjoy

I guess my main purpose would be to remove wind noise from.my model plane flying.

I have a small camera mounted to the plane so I want to remove the wind noise when flying . Will Sound Forge or I keep messing up the namet do that or do I need to upgrade to spectral layers to do that?

I do have Spectra Layers 3 but not 9?.???

Thanks for answering.

Bob

I guess my main purpose would be to remove wind noise from.my model plane flying.

I have a small camera mounted to the plane so I want to remove the wind noise when flying . Will Sound Forge or I keep messing up the namet do that or do I need to upgrade to spectral layers to do that?

I do have Spectra Layers 3 but not 9?.???

Thanks for answering.

Bob

Wind noise is difficult because it varies its pitch and formants in time (is not a constant noise)...

No matter what, for "removing" sounds Spectralayers is the able tool.
Version 9 is quite good at these issues. Search the videos at the official youtube places.

Since version 7 Spectralayers has become mature, completing full circle what is was set about to do in its inception, later refinements improve and expand its workflow capacities. At almost 2023 there are several relevant stem separation tools from different brands with varying approaches. Spectralayers has definitively the most diverse and powerful surgical and selection features available, to allow for user customization of results, together with a workflow evolution of 10 years already of practical experience.

The only tool that surpasses it in reach and trajectory is CEDAR, which license has always costed over a number of thousands of dollars. However nowadays what SL users may do could be quite good and probably surpass what CEDAR was able only a few years ago.
There is still room for improvement so next years seem interesting in this field.

OK then it looks like spectra layers is the better one for doing those things so I think I thought I saw for like a $179 for Spectra layers pro 9?

I can't get even specter layers pro 3 to come up on my computer anymore but I assume the pro 9 is better anyway

Steinberg offers a trial version of SpectraLayers 9 - https://www.steinberg.net/spectralayers/ - so you can try it out for yourself.

SL9 is a huge leap over SL3 and SL9 is what I use to reduce/remove wind noise. But if wind noise intrudes much more than about 500 HZ or so into the audio, removal becomes much more difficult or even impossible especially if the audio track is nothing more than wind noise. Where that is the case, there is hopefully a clean 'buzz track' recorded on that shoot or at another time that can replace the wind noise affected ununsable audio.

It's not just the wind noise you can hear the airplane engine running at the same time so will this program take care of that then?

I don't want to remove all the wind just tone it down a little bit so you hear more of the airplane and less of the wind rushing by the camera microphone.

I know you're probably busy on Christmas but if you could just answer this that would be great.

Merry Christmas and thanks a ton.

So once you answer I will order spectrum layer as 9 pro.

Thanks

Bob

It's not just the wind noise you can hear the airplane engine running at the same time so will this program take care of that then?

There are just too many variables to answer that definitively. Perhaps you could upload to this post a sample of the audio so I can give it a try in SL9.

does sound forge 16 do as much as the Spectral layers programs???

Simply put, Sound Forge and SpectraLayers are different animals.. though so some chores can be done on either,, to a degree. SpectraLayers Pro is amazing to say the least, but manual spectral graph editing. which is required for attenuating some types of extraneous noise, has a rather steep leaning curve (though experience with pro image editing software like Photoshop is helpful).
I used (SCS) SpectraLayers Pro 2 way back when it was initially published but was not impressed. OTOH, SpectraLayers Pro 7 blew me away when I needed to eliminate some annoying string noise remastering a Celtic harp album.
An alternate to SLP is iZotope's RX Advanced, which has more 'auto' functions, but costs significantly more.

btw, SpectraLayers Pro is included with the Sound Forge Pro Suite version along with other generic and specialized plug-ins.

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Dexcon,

Sorry to sound like such an amateur.  How do I separate the audio from the video file and save it in what file format?
Yes would love you to help with the voice on the video.
Thanks Bob

@robert-engle  ... In Vegas Pro, select a loop section of the video/audio event on the timeline (15 seconds should be enough if its just wind and motor noise), then click on File/Render As, select the MP3 format and the 192 Kbps template; click on the Render Options button and check the Render Loop Region Only checkbox, and then use the Folder and Name fields to decide where to render the audio, and lastly click on the Render button.

Once rendered, the MP3 audio file can be uploaded via a new comment on this forum thread using the upload button:

Only MP3 audio can be uploaded.

Deacon,

Awesome thank you so much I'm going try to do it tonight before we go to somebody's house for dinner if not I'll do it tomorrow.

Really appreciate it once you show me how to do this I'll make lots of notes and then I'll always know how to remove the wind noise.

Thanks

How do I separate the audio from the video file and save it in what file format?

@robert-engle If you just want to move the audio event separately from the video, select both the video and audio events and ungroup them (keyboard shortcut: "U"). If you wish to create new file of just the audio, right-click the event and select 'Open in Audio editor' (Sound Forge) and 'Save as' in an audio only format (PCM Wave is best) If you choose "Open copy in audio editor", a new 'Take' (audio file) will be created of just the audio event placed over the top of the original audio event. There are other ways as well, like "Tools> Render to new track" and choose an audio only format.

The MP3 Audio Clips keep spinning with like a music note so hopefully it uploaded??

OK did it. There are 2 Audio clips. One has a man saying Bobs Maiden flight. I want his voice gone but want to background noise like the 3 mph wind and the plane just starting up.

The second clip is a real plane with a camera hanging on the wing strut. I want the plane engine sound but want to reduce the wind noise. Not completely but a good amount.

If you two guys can send a SUPER DETAILED meaning every step of the way in order what to do I can make notes and then next time can do it and will get better over time of course. Screen shots will help to I'm sure or a small You-Tube video if you guys have your own channel. Or email me with everything if that is a way to?? The most I will do are voices and wind noise. Just bought Spectra Layers Pro 9 this morning.

If you two can help me do this so I am set, I would be glad to PayPal a few dollars to show how much I appreciate it because it would take me forever to figure this out.

My email is >deleted<. The o is o like oscar not Zero!!!

PLEASE help with this I would be so grateful. If for some reasen these do not upload let me know and I will try again. like I said there are 2 boxes, and they have a Music note in them and there is a Blue line spinning??

THANKS A MILLION

Bob

Rochester, NY

@robert-engle your private info deleted for data protection by a moderator. Please use private messages.

Unfortunately, I am not set up to create tutorials which would then have to go on to YouTube (videos cannot be uploaded to this form, only links to services like YouTube can be linked to the forum). I would suggest that you explore the numerious YouTube tutorials already uploaded to YouTube many of which have been created by Steinberg, the owner of SpectraLayers - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=spectralayers+9

Re the 1st audio track - it's spectrogram:

The voice is so dominant that using the Unmix Stems approach in SpectraLayers to eliminiate the voice created a fairly big hole in the audio. So instead, I used the Clone Stamp tool to copy/paste earlier sections of the audio over the voice - doing this replaces the area with what is being pasted.

Because the background ambience reduced in volume underneath the voice, I used the Gain control under Process/Amplitude to incrementally reduce the volume of selected areas of audio.

In this audio track, the wind noise could be easily removed by using the Clone Stamp to replace the wind noise affected with an adjacent area unaffected by wind noise.

Almost every audio track being processed in SpectraLayers is different and the approach taken and tools used may well different for each audio track. The important thing is to have a basic understanding of what each tool does (e.g. from Steinberg's YT tutorials and/or from the user manual) and then it is simply a case of getting used to those tools by trial and error and developing over time your own approach and skills in using SpectraLayers.

Re the 2nd audio track - a sample of it's spectrogram:

The arrowed sections of the audio show just how dominant the wind noise is. If it were all the way through the audio track, it would be irrecoverable as all there would be is wind noise. What can be done with the audio is to use the Clone Stamp to improve one section of the audio track - in the area where the Clone Stamp selection rectangle is - and then use the Clone Stamp to copy/paste the 'good' section over the areas of the track that are swamped by the wind noise. I would think that the copy/pasting would be the frequency areas over about 400-500 Hz.

Alternatively, you could highlight the wind noise using the rectangle or Lasso selector and using the Gain tool to reduce the volume of the wind noise but that is going to be fiddly and doesn't sound all that good IMO.

The Umix Stems tool (under the Layer menu) produced this:

I didn't obtain a satisfactory result with muting a range of the layers (highlighted by the red arrows) but you might want to try it for yourself.

Personally, the audio track is so heavily affected by wind noise that I would be looking online for a free sound affect of a similar aircraft that sounds authentic to the aircraft type. In looking at free sound effects, it's important to check out the licensing Ts & Cs depending on what/weher the final video production is to be used.

Unfortunately, I am not set up to create tutorials which would then have to go on to YouTube (videos cannot be uploaded to this form, only links to services like YouTube can be linked to the forum).

@Dexcon, yes they can. I've done it several times.

You can also try using SpecraLayers Pro's 'Eraser' tool on the extraneous frequency content you wish to attenuate. The 'Eraser ' is a little more forgiving if the attenuation (-dB) is set low and erase a few dBs at a time. Similarly, the 'Gain' tool can also be used but the extraneous noise frequency range must be selected first with the rectangle or lasso tool.
As was stated, check out Steinberg's SLP tutorials. There are also Steinberg SpecraLayers forums that are frequented by SL's original creator and developer Robin L.

yes they can. I've done it several times.

@jetdv  ... Yes, you are right. I don't recall seeing the ability to upload video before, and people used to suggest posting links to DropBox, OneDrive, Vimeo, etc. I wonder if video uploading was introduced when the forum went through that big upgrade a little while ago?

@Dexcon I think this was the case long before the latest forum upgrade:

But as e,g, Musicvid and set often remind the users: "Unfortunately uploading video here will recompress and change the original format. not recommended. - still must through online storage drives like Dropbox, Google Drive, Wetransfer, etc."

See also this comment from john_dennis in the same thread as the quote from set.