Arthur, maybe so. He said he is dragging the audio though. If he is just extending it, then SHIFT>DRAG EDGE would do that.

I think what John is doing is keeping a straight cut for the video, but by stretching the audio, a cross fade between audio events. It's something I use myself now and then if the audio crossover sounds too harsh.

Okay now i understand 🙂
For that you must highlighted the Videopart (only) and Press SHIFT
So you can decrease the video without changing the audio

Auto Ripple must be dectivated

I think what John is doing is keeping a straight cut for the video, but by stretching the audio, a cross fade between audio events. It's something I use myself now and then if the audio crossover sounds too harsh.

Okay now i understand 🙂
For that you musst only highlighted the Videopart and Press SHIFT
So you can decrease the video without changing the audio

Are we still talking about the topic in the heading? There may be a language barrier here, but I thought we agreed that for now you need to ungroup/ ignore event g/ lock.

 

Are we still talking about the topic in the heading? There may be a language barrier here, but I thought we agreed that for now you need to ungroup/ ignore event g/ lock.

No, you don't need to ungroup/ignore
Only press SHIFT and drag the video part only

No, you don't need to ungroup/ignore
Only press SHIFT and drag the video part only

JohnAsh on 09/05/2016:

What I have to do now is click, (ignore grouping), drag, click again (grouping back on). Repeat this thousands of times and it adds up! All I want to to is drag!

Yeah, I am really confused on what the OP is trying to do. Drag or extend are two different things. To Extend and ungroup at the same time (temporary) you hold SHIFT and drag the edge. But it sounds like to me he is shifting the audio out of sync with the video by DRAGGING it.

No, you don't need to ungroup/ignore
Only press SHIFT and drag the video part only

JohnAsh on 09/05/2016:

What I have to do now is click, (ignore grouping), drag, click again (grouping back on). Repeat this thousands of times and it adds up! All I want to to is drag!

nope 🙂

+1 quitter.

Quitter, you're trimming event.

JohnAsh 09/04/2016:

Grrrrr! I can shift and drag the edges but not the whole scene. Why not, please?

because then you lose the synchronicity 😉

my answer was for the input from Arthur.S = audio cross fade / straight cut video

That's why I asked if we were still talking about the original topic.

Anyway, the OP explained his workflow in a later post.

Yeah, I am really confused on what the OP is trying to do. Drag or extend are two different things. To Extend and ungroup at the same time (temporary) you hold SHIFT and drag the edge. But it sounds like to me he is shifting the audio out of sync with the video by DRAGGING it.

Yes, that's right. Being out of sync is of no consquence, as it happens.

Okay, but I think the method we brought is still faster than what you are doing. Enjoy!!!

I so often get frustrated with Vegas Pro during my Sunday morning editing sessions when the programme gets more and more esoteric features but not fundamental ones which would save my anger and sanity. Why on earth (and I'm hoping someone can prove me wrong on this), why on earth can't I click+shift and drag the video part of a scene, leaving the audio where it is temporarily (or vice versa) overriding Event Grouping? The way I work, I am for ever switching 'ignore grouping' on and off and, invariably, forgetting whether it's on or off. Grrrrr! I can shift and drag the edges but not the whole scene. Why not, please?

Make my day Magix and include it in the next version!! I'm pretty sure I used to be able to do this in Premier Pro.

(Oh, I did try and search for this using Google and "site:" to no avail.)

Just find that topic of overriding event grouping..

Also frustrated  about that complication to press 2 times some keyboard key in Vegas (ignore grouping) eliminate part of smth (including delete, not only trimimg ends by dragging, but also truncating to left /right).

Magix engineers have to include that feature in preferences:

checkbox: permanently/temporarily switch event grouping with key

Thanks>

Simply

I also think that would be a great feuture, since I know the issue quite well. I have also ungroup/group on my Jogshuttle, but as long as that are different buttoms it does not work as great as it could be. Good suggestion for a new feature to support L and J cuts. 

Wolfgang, as a suggestion until/if ever Magix get round to providing this, why not put on your Jogshuttle ignore/unignore event grouping as it's the same button? This is what I use, so you don't need the two buttons for group/ungroup. But I have to admit to remembering whether events are grouped or not! Oh so much simpler to leave grouping on, then shift drag when needed! It's the simple things that make life simpler! 

I use a second USB numeric keypad with my most used shortcuts under my left hand while the mouse is in my right. Ignore group and auto ripple are used all the time.  I also have Split clip, centre cursor, trim left, trim right, ripple now, forward, stop, Reverse and Undo. Works a treat and so much easier than ctrl-shift whatever or clicking tiny buttons. Labels are stuck on the keys. Downside is the right numeric pad is of course the same so have to use main keyboard to type numbers.  

In 2008 JohnnyRoy kindly wrote me a script to combine AUTO RIPPLE and IGNORE EVENT GROUPING into a single operation. I was doing loads of J and L cuts at the time and constantly selecting those back to back. It worked great.

That script could be assigned to a keyboard shortcut, or put on the toolbar.

If you're using VP13 build 543 or 545 or VP14 or later then change Sony.Vegas to ScriptPortal.Vegas

That's interesting, Nick. The way I work at the moment, I am not sure how I would use that. What I do have are buttons assigned to macros which 'trim right, ripple' and 'trim left, ripple'. So I drag my event to the timeline, turn on ignore grouping, drag the audio event left to give me the L cut I want, position the cursor where I want the scene to end, click, try and remember to turn ignore grouping off, then use my "trim right, ripple" button. Voila, sometimes. Depending on what's selected when I click, sometimes the audio is trimmed, sometimes the video, sometimes both, which is what I'm trying to achieve. And that is why I want what I asked for at the top of this thread!

Seems that a lots of editing techniques can fit universal solution - modifying the ignore event grouping button bahaviour.

For example for me when working multitrack/ multicamera  the cutting/replacing  inside the synced events is the 70% of work. Thats why all the time reswitching ignore grouping seems to be the simplicity obstacle.

I suggest to have the tab in preferences (may be internal) where you can select button style  - normal or not fixed ( working like Alt or Shift). And it have to be combined together with Split, Trim start, Trim end, Delete.

Thats seems it can be the compromise not to change existing Shift (override snaping)  or Alt (Slip) schemes.

Yes, using Shift was only a 'serving suggestion' of mine but, as you say jOn, that is already used to override snapping. I only suggested Shift as it is already used, with VP13, for temporarily ignoring grouping while dragging the scene edge. Just seemed a logical extension to this to be able to drag the whole scene, independent of grouping too. Any key(s) would do for me as long as I can do it!

Maybe some very neat solution - the Ctrl+Shift combination  - now not used ...?

So the logics of actions can be like this - if I want to trim one of the grouped elements - using Shift (as it is)

Adding Ctrl lets me to delete, move or split that event not destroying general event grouping.

Seems simple?