Vegas Pro 17 doesn't handle file correctly whereas Vegas 13 does

joaomgcd wrote on 12/10/2019, 1:08 PM

I upgraded to Vegas Pro 17 recently but unfortunately now my Android video files are not correctly handled. Any way I can get it working like in Vegas Pro 13?

Thanks in advance.

VEGAS Version & Build
Version 17 (Build 535)

Windows Edition & Version
Windows 10 Home version 1903

App that created my footage
Join by Joaoapps

Exact symptoms of my problem

Videos captured on a Galaxy S9+. Framerate is not correctly processed like in Vegas 13.

In Vegas 13 video retains a very smooth framerate after rendering.

In Vegas 17 video has a very low framerate after rendering.

I'm aware that both MediaInfo and Vegas 17 detect the file as having 5.266 FPS but nevertheless, the file works fine in Vegas 13.

MediaInfo Report for my source footage

General
Complete name                            : F:\Downloads\capture_2019_12_10_17_18_29_Galaxy_S9+.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 2.10 MiB
Duration                                 : 17 s 849 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 988 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-12-10 17:18:54
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-12-10 17:18:54
com.android.version                      : 9

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 17 s 849 ms
Bit rate                                 : 987 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 080 pixels
Height                                   : 2 220 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 0.486
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 5.266 FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 0.227 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 72.231 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.078
Stream size                              : 2.10 MiB (100%)
Title                                    : VideoHandle
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-12-10 17:18:54
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-12-10 17:18:54
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.601
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

 

VEGAS Pro File Properties for your source footage

VEGAS 13

General
  Name: capture_2019_12_10_17_18_29_Galaxy_S9+.mp4
  Folder: F:\Downloads
  Type: MainConcept AVC/AAC
  Size: 2.15 MB (2,204,178 bytes)
  Created: 10 de dezembro de 2019, 17:19:26
  Modified: 10 de dezembro de 2019, 17:19:27
  Accessed: 10 de dezembro de 2019, 17:19:27
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 00:00:17.850, 100.000 fps progressive, 1080x2220x32, AVC

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: mcmp4plug2.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 13.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\mcmp4plug2
  Format: MainConcept AVC/AAC
  Version: Version 13.0 (Build 453) 64-bit
  Company: Sony Creative Software Inc.

 

VEGAS 17

General

  Name: capture_2019_12_10_17_18_29_Galaxy_S9+.mp4
  Folder: F:\Downloads
  Type: AVC
  Size: 2.15 MB (2,204,178 bytes)
  Created: 10 de dezembro de 2019, 17:19:26
  Modified: 10 de dezembro de 2019, 17:19:27
  Accessed: 10 de dezembro de 2019, 17:19:27
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 00:00:17.659, 5.266 fps progressive, 1080x2220x12, AVC

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 17.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 17.0 (Build 353)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

Sample Files

Motion starts at about 8 seconds. You can clearly see the difference in frame rate.

Original File: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eacg9lFP6pGpic9xpD8dFinVk_aYEczv

File re-rendered by Vegas 13: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AlQggTj87ciBbBghO65fbRQ_vpfovSxr

File re-rendered by Vegas 17: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hs_JEGkoU72q7lmhEYz5bWA9dnBcCVfk

Graphics Card Model

GeForce GTX 970

Graphics Card Driver Version

Geforce Game Ready Driver Version 441.20

Status of GPU acceleration of video processing

Optimal - NVidia Corporation (GeForce GTX 970)

Status of Enable Hardware Decoding for supported formats

Enabled

Project Properties

Render Settings

 

Comments

j-v wrote on 12/10/2019, 1:54 PM

Because the variable framerate is slightly 5 and a bit more I think your settings are different, special the frames that are not present and must therefore be rendered because you render to 60p and the program must make them one way or another.
That goes by the way you make (or not) the settings in properties or project for the Resample Mode .

BTW.
In VP13 is "Smart Resample" and in VP17 "Disable Resample" the default setting.

Last changed by j-v on 12/10/2019, 2:04 PM, changed a total of 2 times.

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
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joaomgcd wrote on 12/11/2019, 3:30 AM

Hi. Thanks for the response.

The video may have a variable framerate of 5 fps but that's because most of the time the image doesn't change. but when the image changes, it does move at a smooth 60fps.

If you can, please download the clips and try playing them in a video player (don't play them on the Google Drive web page because they were re-rendered to 30fps there). Check out the motion at 8 seconds in the video.

You'll see a very noticeable difference between the clips that way.

Also, it's not frame interpolation at all. "Smart Resample" was disabled for both cases (V13 and V17). Also, no amount of smart interpolation would result in such a smooth video.

If you notice, V13 says the video is 100fps and thus doesn't limit itself when rendering it.

V17 says it's a 5fps video and thus limits itself to that framerate when rendering, making the 60fps parts of the video very choppy.

Thanks again

j-v wrote on 12/11/2019, 4:27 AM

VP13 sees indeed a different amount of total frames, 4 frames more than VP17 in 17 seconds of video.
If that makes the difference during render I don't know.

Amount of frames and file properties in VP17



the same in VP13

 

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

joaomgcd wrote on 12/11/2019, 4:42 AM

That's very strange! This is what it shows for me in VP13! As you can see it detects it as 100fps for me!

Do you know why your version would detect it differently from mine? What plugin does it say it's using for you in the General tab in V13?

j-v wrote on 12/11/2019, 4:59 AM

I see that to are using not the latest build of VP13 545 but an older one 453.

My VP13 uses this decoder

Last changed by j-v on 12/11/2019, 5:17 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

vkmast wrote on 12/11/2019, 6:04 AM

My VPro 13 b 453 Media and General P are as with @j-v. You have "Attributes: 1080x 2220x32" in Media P.

joaomgcd wrote on 12/11/2019, 6:24 AM

I see! So the problem seems to be with the switch to compoundplug.dll! Thank you for the info!

Is there any way to get Vegas 17 to use mcmp4plug2.dll like my version of V13 is using? Maybe that fixes it!

Thanks for all the help!