VEGAS Pro 18 vs 15 - What Is One Actually Gaining By Upgrading?

MH7 wrote on 3/8/2021, 4:01 AM

QUESTION

I have thought about upgrading from my current version of VEGAS Pro 15 to the newest VEGAS Pro 18. But, I have been wondering, what am I really gaining by upgrading to VP18 that I can’t already do in some way on VP15?
 

Just to let you know, I’m not trying to deter anyone from upgrading because I enjoy using VEGAS Pro. But I just am curious (and this would be helpful to anyone else looking to upgrade from older versions of VEGAS Pro) as to what I would gain by doing so. Or, to put it another way, what I would miss out on if I didn’t? If there is some side-by-side comparison of this current version of VP to older ones I’d be quite grateful if someone could point me in the right direction.

Cheers!

MH7


EDIT: Thanks guys for your help. I really appreciate your reply and effort. Vegas Pro 18 certainly looks like a compelling upgrade going from my version of 15 - 18. I am seriously looking to upgrading now but will trial it first. I currently have VEGAS Pro Edit but possibly might look to go to Vegas Pro (for various personal reasons). Once again, thanks for your help guys. I personally didn’t expect so many replies so soon. 👍🏻👍🏻

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Comments

Marco. wrote on 3/8/2021, 4:08 AM

A lot. You may start reading from here.

vkmast wrote on 3/8/2021, 5:30 AM

And there's always the trial version available. "Try before you buy".

RogerS wrote on 3/8/2021, 9:08 AM

There's plenty on YouTube as well such as

jetdv wrote on 3/8/2021, 9:55 AM

From the help files in each version:

MAGIX proudly introduces VEGAS Pro 16, a full-featured nonlinear editor (NLE) for video and multitrack digital audio designed for video post production and multichannel audio recording and mixing.

What's new in this version

New Video Stabilization plug-in: The Video Stabilization plug-in has been significantly improved with a better motion analysis algorithm. Also a motion blurring effect based on the motion analysis was added for a traditional movie camera look of fast pan shots.

Storyboards: Organize and arrange your media in the storyboard bins.

360° video support: 360° video im- and export was added. Dual-fish-eye-lens 360° video can be stitched directly in VEGAS Pro.

Auto Looks plug-in: Give your video quickly the look of a specific movie, genre, or film style

Tiny Planet plug-in: With the Tiny Planet effect you distort a picture or video into a circular form, the result is a sphere that looks like a little planet photographed from above using a fisheye lens.

New Project window thumbnail hover scrub: Scrubbing a video file by hovering the mouse over it (as known from the Trimmer Window) can now also be done with the thumbnails in the Project window.

New UI display preference: Selected button highlight color. Set the color for selected buttons.

 

MAGIX proudly introduces VEGAS Pro 17, a full-featured nonlinear editor (NLE) for video and multitrack digital audio designed for video post production and multichannel audio recording and mixing.

What's new in this version

Nested Timelines This is a further development of the existing nested projects functionality. Where a nested project has to be opened in a second instance of VEGAS Pro for editing, with the nested timelines it is now possible to create and edit a "project-inside-a project" directly from the timeline.

Color Grading window: Several color-related Video Event FX (including Input LUT, Color Wheels, Color Curves,HSL, White Balance and many more) are combined in a dedicated screen area that is easily shown or hidden with a toolbar button. To save you a lot of clicks it can stay open to apply the desired color grading to the different events, instead of opening each event's FX chain and loading the color FX separately.

LUT Export: Save all color effects from an effect chain as a CUBE file with the Save LUT button in the Plug-in chooser window.

Improved Storyboard functionality: You can add the same piece of media to a single storyboard, and thumbnails reflect the in point of the media that is used in the timeline.

Warp Flow transition/Smart Split: The Warp Flow transition automatically fixes jump cuts by synthesizing movement. The Smart Split command cuts out parts of an event and applies the Warp Flow transition to conceal the cut.

Mesh Warp plug-in for creative deformation of your footage, or, when you set the grid size to 1x1 it gives you four corner points to quickly conform your video to a non-rectangular four-sided surface.

Lens Correction plug-in to compensate distortions from wide-angle lens systems as used in action cams.

HDR Color support enhancements

GPU-based processing

Windowed HDR Preview (preview in the Video Preview window)

HDR Specific color grading

HLG support

Stabilization improvements: Using the Video stabilization is now also possible at event level, when used on event level it is possible to visualize the motion tracks of the stabilization.

Project Notes window: Attach notes to your project if you want to hand it to someone else. The notes can be tagged as "resolved", resolved notes can be hidden.

Automatic Slideshow Creator: Create a Slideshow of a desired length from a folder or selection of pictures.

Adjustable Color temperature enhancement to White Balance plug-in.

Audio synchronization for multicam: Synchronize Multicam footage by analyzing and matching the audio track of the recordings.

8k support : You can add 8k to your project now when using proxy files.

New Formats:

Experimental MKV support.

10 bit intermediate format

NVENC 10-bit HEVC rendering

Hardware decoding for AVC and HEVC

User Interface improvements:

You'll get a warning when you delete a track that has events on it.

Hi-DPI interface improvements: The High DPI mode is now defaulted to on for VEGAS Pro17

You can display the Event length on the header of timeline events. Find it in the hamburger menu for each event or under the View menu.

Temporarily ignore event grouping when moving an event: Hold both the left and right mouse buttons as you drag an event to move it independently from other group members.

There's a new indicator on an event to show if Media FX have been applied to the media the event holds (find it in the event hamburger menu)

You will be asked to confirm if you click cancel in a render process.

New, task specific, default layouts / Dashboard:Easy editing modes for beginners work with a simplified version of the user interface that show only the most important controls for a step-by-step walk-through from adding media to the final movie, everything put together in the Dashboard window. The Guided Video Creator from the Tool Menu takes you through these steps.

VEGAS Screen Capture utility: Record video streams from your browser or video game.

Motion tracking: Track motion in a scene and let other events or text follow the movement.

Super-smooth slow motion (optical flow and motion estimation) with the VEGAS Slow Motion plug-in

VEGAS POST integration

 

MAGIX proudly introduces VEGAS Pro 18, a full-featured nonlinear editor (NLE) for video and multitrack digital audio designed for video post production and multichannel audio recording and mixing.

What's new in this version

Motion Tracker Panel: Track motion in any video event with a dedicated Motion Tracker panel , the detected trace (including perspective size change and distortion) can be used in any other event FX that takes location data. Note that in favor of this more generalized solution, the motion tracker was removed from the Bézier Masking FX.

Improved Video FX, Transitions and Media Generator windows: Effects can be filtered by category and provider, you can search for an effect name and mark favorites to quickly find your favorite effect.

8-Bit (full range) pixel format: This new default project pixel format supports full-range media files without conversion, while limited or undefined range files are converted to full range. The range setting for individual media is user definable in full-range projects, and the traditional 8-Bit (video level) format is still available.

Black Bar Fill plug-in: Fill the black bars that are created when inserting upright video or images into your movie with a blurred copy of the image.

Denoiser plug-in for high quality noise removal from videos.

Flicker Control plug-in for the reduction of flicker artifact caused by a wrongly synchronized CMOS sensor and artificial light sources or by changing lighting conditions in time-lapse sequences. You can also add artificial flicker to simulate a certain look

Style Transfer plug-in: Use the power of Artifical Intelligence to stylize your videos to make them look they were painted in the style of famous artists.

Colorization plug-in: Colorize black and white video with the VEGAS Pro AI to add more realism to that footage.

Integrated graphics card driver update check.

The Lens Correction FX has got an adittional zooming factor to hide ragged black borders at the corners of the image.

Export and Import of VEGAS Pro preferences for backup and for moving an installation to another computer.

Reworked screen capture utility VEGAS Capture.

Incremental Save: Save a new version of your project with keyboard shortcut Ctrl+Alt+S with an auto-numbered file name.

A more detailed render progress dialog shows information about expected render time, end time, file size and many more.

Swap video files. From the Project Media dialog, you can swap the media files used in a project by choosing a different folder that contains the new video files. All files with the same name (regardless of file extension) are exchanged. You can also exchange video files only during the rendering process.

New Video Scopes options: The RGB parade view can work in two different modes, Separate and Combined. Also an optional Skin Tone Line display was added.

VEGAS Prepare: VEGAS Prepare is a versatile media database that allows you to quickly and efficiently manage all your audiovisual media – videos, audio files and images – in one place and prepare them for use in VEGAS Pro. With this tool, it is possible to import media from external and local storage devices and arrange them into collections.

VEGAS Hub explorer window for accessing VEGAS Prepare media collections and VEGAS Cloud.

Alternate High DPI mode. A new preference is now available in the General tab of the preferences dialog for an alternate High DPI mode, which may improve the High DPI experience for users who have multiple monitors that have different scaling levels set in Windows.

Logarithmic Exposure adjustment was added to the Color Grading panel.

Some more legacy features were hidden by default, use Preferences > Deprecated Features to make these visible again: Sony Wireless Media adapter, Print to Tape, Video capture, VEGAS Pro connect.

Event edge handles: To make it easier to grab the edges of the event, handles are displayed as soon as you move the mouse over them.

vkmast wrote on 3/8/2021, 10:12 AM

The link @Marco. gave lists all New Features and Bug Fixes in every release and update (new build) of VEGAS Pro 16, 17, and 18.

MH7 wrote on 3/9/2021, 1:58 AM

Please see my edited post up the top that started this thread for my reply.

One other question I have, how well does Vegas Pro 18 support AMD GPUs. I currently have an AMD RX 580 (8GB of vRAM) that works and is utilised 100% by VEGAS Pro 15. Will this be the same with VEGAS Pro 18? Because it seems like some folks have had some issues in this area. I guess the best answer to this to just try and see. But I’m wondering if anyone with a similar system as mine (see my sig below) has had any issues with VEGAS Pro 18? Thanks in advance for any help! 👍🏻
 

One other question, just out of curiosity (it’s probably been asked and answered before), but what determines the VEGAS build update numbers (like 424 or something like that), are they just chosen at random or is there a purpose to them?

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CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

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RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
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lenard wrote on 3/9/2021, 2:41 AM

Please see my edited post up the top that started this thread for my reply.

One other question I have, how well does Vegas Pro 18 support AMD GPUs. I currently have an AMD RX 580 (8GB of vRAM) that works and is utilised 100% by VEGAS Pro 15. Will this be the same with VEGAS Pro 18?

470/480/580/590 card owners SWEAR by them, Vega 56/64 owners love them, the problems began with radeon7 and the RX5000 series. I"M sure the happy RX580 users will be here soon to tell you about their first hand VP18 experiences. GPU decode wasn't supported with VP15, but is with VP18, so you will want to know how well that performs and what problems may exist

RogerS wrote on 3/9/2021, 2:45 AM

Please see my edited post up the top that started this thread for my reply.

One other question I have, how well does Vegas Pro 18 support AMD GPUs. I currently have an AMD RX 580 (8GB of vRAM) that works and is utilised 100% by VEGAS Pro 15. Will this be the same with VEGAS Pro 18? Because it seems like some folks have had some issues in this area. I guess the best answer to this to just try and see. But I’m wondering if anyone with a similar system as mine (see my sig below) has had any issues with VEGAS Pro 18? Thanks in advance for any help! 👍🏻
 

One other question, just out of curiosity (it’s probably been asked and answered before), but what determines the VEGAS build update numbers (like 424 or something like that), are they just chosen at random or is there a purpose to them?

Of course it still supports AMD GPUs. VP 17 and 18 use it for decoding as well rendering (and for GPU-enabled Fx). You can see how AMD cards perform by looking at the results from the sample render project thread. link

Vegas build numbers seem to go up between 100-400 for updates. Not sure about the interim numbers (24 vs 36, etc.) probably many builds are created and discarded for internal testing and maybe different numbers are chosen for each version of VP so you don't have confusion (VP 16 424 but not VP 18 424)?

Reyfox wrote on 3/9/2021, 5:31 AM

Quite happy with the performance of my "old" RX480 8GB card. I've been wanting to upgrade, but each new card release, there is the extreme high price I am not willing to pay. I am waiting for the RX6700X to become available.

This might help, but it has the RX590, which is only slightly faster than what you already have.

BTW, I am using the gaming drivers with no issues.

https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

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MH7 wrote on 3/10/2021, 12:26 AM

Quite happy with the performance of my "old" RX480 8GB card.

Ah okay. Thanks. That’s great to know. 👍🏻

I've been wanting to upgrade, but each new card release, there is the extreme high price I am not willing to pay. I am waiting for the RX6700X to become available.

I hear ya. I’m believe they’re high because of Mining, unfortunately.

This might help, but it has the RX590, which is only slightly faster than what you already have.

BTW, I am using the gaming drivers with no issues.

https://techgage.com/article/magix-vegas-pro-18-processor-graphics-card-performance/

Thanks mate! I appreciate it. 👍🏻

John 14:6 | Romans 10:9-10, 13, 10:17 | Ephesians 2:8-9
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CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

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RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

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fr0sty wrote on 3/10/2021, 12:41 AM

Please see my edited post up the top that started this thread for my reply.

One other question I have, how well does Vegas Pro 18 support AMD GPUs. I currently have an AMD RX 580 (8GB of vRAM) that works and is utilised 100% by VEGAS Pro 15. Will this be the same with VEGAS Pro 18?

470/480/580/590 card owners SWEAR by them, Vega 56/64 owners love them, the problems began with radeon7 and the RX5000 series. I"M sure the happy RX580 users will be here soon to tell you about their first hand VP18 experiences. GPU decode wasn't supported with VP15, but is with VP18, so you will want to know how well that performs and what problems may exist

I use a Radeon VII and have had no issues in VEGAS with it.

lenard wrote on 3/10/2021, 10:36 AM

Radeon VII had a driver problem for much of it's life when current, the problems seen in various editors weren't really software problems, but driver. Such as expensive card now I hope it's performing well 😄

MH7 wrote on 3/10/2021, 8:09 PM

Thanks to everyone for their input so far. I greatly appreciate it! 👍🏻

John 14:6 | Romans 10:9-10, 13, 10:17 | Ephesians 2:8-9
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Aussie VEGAS Post 20 User as of 9th February 2023 — Build 411 (Upgraded from VEGAS Pro 18)

VEGAS Pro Help: VEGAS Pro FAQs and TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDES

My YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TechWiredGeek

Video Cameras: Sony FDR-AX700 and iPhone 12 Pro Max (iOS 17)

============================================

My New Productivity Workstation/Gaming PC 2024

CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend (AM5)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

OS: Windows 11 (Build: 23H2)

Main Monitor: LG 27UD88-W 4K IPS

Secondary Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K HDR IPS

fr0sty wrote on 3/10/2021, 8:22 PM

Radeon VII had a driver problem for much of it's life when current, the problems seen in various editors weren't really software problems, but driver. Such as expensive card now I hope it's performing well 😄

This isn't true... not with VEGAS at least. Maybe some of those other editing apps did, but Radeon VII has always functioned properly with VEGAS. It's so expensive because it's the second most powerful etherium mining card ever created, only behind the RTX 3090, and not by much.

However, for the price, it's smarter to buy a brand new Radeon Pro VII.

MH7 wrote on 3/12/2021, 12:28 AM

@Reyfox | I thoroughly looked over that website you gave me and it looks the RX 590 takes about 4h:20s to render out a 4K project with project settings @ Best (full quality). I can’t remember what VP 15 takes, but probably something similar. It would’ve been interesting to know the length of the 4K video they tested with but they unfortunately didn’t give that kind of information. Although, I guess the point of the test was to show how each card performed.

I will say, though, the RX 5700XT performed significantly better than the RX 590 with taking only 2m:7s. That’s a significant difference of 2m:13s. So, we can only imagine what sort of performance the upcoming AMD RX 6700XT could have over the AMD RX 5700XT.

They were using the newer Ryzen 3000 series of CPUs, though. So, whilst I’m not looking to upgrade anytime soon. It looks like a good upgrade for me some time down the road would be the AMD Ryzen 7 3700X and the AMD RX 6700XT. It seems like a good combo.

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John 14:6 | Romans 10:9-10, 13, 10:17 | Ephesians 2:8-9
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Aussie VEGAS Post 20 User as of 9th February 2023 — Build 411 (Upgraded from VEGAS Pro 18)

VEGAS Pro Help: VEGAS Pro FAQs and TROUBLESHOOTING GUIDES

My YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@TechWiredGeek

Video Cameras: Sony FDR-AX700 and iPhone 12 Pro Max (iOS 17)

============================================

My New Productivity Workstation/Gaming PC 2024

CPU: AMD R7 7800X3D

Motherboard: ASRock X670E Steel Legend (AM5)

RAM: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory

Main SSD: Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB SSD
Storage SSD: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB SSD

GPU: Asus TUF GAMING OC Radeon RX 7800 XT (16 GB)

OS: Windows 11 (Build: 23H2)

Main Monitor: LG 27UD88-W 4K IPS

Secondary Monitor: LG 27UL850 4K HDR IPS

Reyfox wrote on 3/12/2021, 5:12 AM

@MH7 I didn't upgrade the RX480 to the 580 because the performance wasn't great enough to offset the cost. I waited too long to get any RX5700 series card and now, everything is priced way to high for me to even think of buying anything new within the past couple of generations. While I do have corporate videos to edit, most of the editing is for my church and my personal use. So I can wait.

I built this PC intending it to be my last build. I can upgrade the CPU to anything the X570 motherboard will take (3950X and any 5000 series CPU). It also supports PCIe 4. There is room for another 32GB of RAM if needed, but right now, it's not.

I can only "hope" the 6700XT is released at anything near the MSRP. If it isn't, I'll just sit and wait some more.

Make a post on the webpage. It usually gets answered. Rob also sometimes shows up here in this forum. Post your questions (how long the project) and see what happens!

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Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300