bad first impression of VP18

oskari-m wrote on 8/4/2020, 3:41 AM

hello,

I so much have waited for Vegas to fix the dreaded playback and GPU performance, errors and crashes that are sooooo frequent and almost make work impossible at times.

Now, what i get with VP18

1. not able to install the program, finally after success to install,

2. my test project created on VP17 just hangs immediately on building audio peaks for a video file (DJI osmo mp4)

Still hanging on Vegas mainly on hope they get in modernized and because i have been using it SINCE VERSION 1. from the late 90's

Not very promising, The final switch is near....

 

 

 

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oskari-m wrote on 8/4/2020, 3:56 AM

Also playing the "problematic" 10 bit HEVC mov files from fuji xt3 seem to play well at first but hangs / crashes VP18 the second i switch to full screen preview :(

Grazie wrote on 8/4/2020, 3:59 AM

@oskari-m Check your GPU is compliant for VP18.

oskari-m wrote on 8/4/2020, 4:14 AM

where from? should be i guess, RTX2070 qmax (laptop)

RogerS wrote on 8/4/2020, 6:34 AM

It is compliant.

Go to help, click on driver update and make sure the graphics drivers are the latest. Then restart.

Based on other user reports, certain HEVC and DJI files still seem problematic.

You may want to try some of these workarounds for the sake of stability.

oskari-m wrote on 8/4/2020, 6:59 AM

it's done already. AND Yes, it's ALMOST the latest driver. i have 451.48, vegas suggests 451.77.

BUT: nvidia installer won't let me install because "driver is not compatible with this version of windows"

i dont if it's because i do not have the latest 2004 version of W10 (update won't still let me install it on this computer, so not by choice)

I just have to be a nagging ***hole and say that whole thing is feeling almost like a joke!

I use exclusively FUJI HEVC and DJI mp4's. VEGAS PRO and the Latest NLE version and not working at all.

Feels kinda stupid to have to read special forum posts and watch tube video hacks to get a software working.

Right now more and half of my edit work time goes to solve things that out of the box modern NLE release doesnt offer. And i feel i'm not requesting any special things.

I might just have to bite the bullet and invest the upgrade to Resolve or something else of a more modern usabilty. And stgart learning. Sad it is :(

 

 

 

 

 

RogerS wrote on 8/4/2020, 10:17 AM

Maybe try to download the driver manually from NVIDIA- perhaps Vegas is pointing to the wrong one for some reason: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

I was able to update NVIDIA driver (I don't use GeForce experience) without being on 2004.

For HEVC and DJI files I would transcode or proxy all of them for Vegas. HEVC aren't really intended for editing (great for efficient file size though) and some DJI formats are trouble (and I think were blacklisted from Vegas hardware decoding until recently).

Give Resolve a try- it's free for the basic version and it pushes the GPU hard. I don't really enjoy it as editing software and returned to Vegas.

aboammar wrote on 8/4/2020, 12:34 PM

I am also not having good impressions on Vegas Pro 18 and most often I will not upgrade from V17 mainly because the V18 upgrade price is very high ($349) and seriously nothing in V18 justify the upgrade price! If stability was hugely improved to match its competitors such as DaVinci Resolve, then that alone would have convinced me to upgrade and I would happily pay the $349!

I have been a loyal Vegas user since it was a DAW (under Sonic Foundry) and have upgraded to every version (only skipped V14). One of the main reasons that always encouraged me to upgrade was because Vegas used to offer a rock solid stability and almost never crashed on me, unlike Adobe Premiere at the time! Unfortunately, it seems Vegas started to lose this one key advantage (after V10 I guess) and it just keeps getting worse or not seriously improved!

I get so used to Vegas interface to the extent that I always keep coming back to it whenever I try to move to another NLE such as DaVinci Resolve. I really find it very hard to leave Vegas because I am just very used to it, but honestly I do not know for how much longer I can stick with it before I finally decide to leave it for good and force myself to learn DaVinci Resolve and stick with it! Maybe will wait for Vegas Pro 19 and see what will happen!

My advice to Magix is to completely rewrite Vegas Pro from scratch, just like what Adobe did with Premiere Pro, keeping the user interface very similar to the current one, as much as possible. This will definitely ensure a rock solid performance and stability which what we all want. I know this is a big investment for Magix, but it is a good investment for the future of Vegas Pro. Otherwise, my guess is sooner or later loyal customers like me will start moving away from Vegas Pro until it goes out of the NLE business.

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supergafudo wrote on 8/4/2020, 12:38 PM

this threads are becoming really stupid. I do not have any interest in Magix or Vegas, I am just an user. I do not understand all the suspicious problems like this. I am using an ancient Q6600 with windows 10 pro, a procesor from 2007, yes 2007, with just 4GB of ram, an ssd and a Radeon RX460 with just 2GB.

I do not have any problem to install, edit or use vegas. How can you be so stupid with the most recent hardware and video cards be unable to edit a video or just install the software and come here to bash the people that write the code that works perfectly and fast in my computer from 2007 but cannot run in yours?

If a software has a bug, this bug is reproducible in almost every computer the soft run. Instead of that we got a bunch of incompetent people with the latests hardware been unable even to install the sofware or having strange errors than only affect them.

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 8/4/2020, 12:47 PM

Ahhh, here we go again and again..... No matter what the developers do its never enough. And then comes the comparisons and the threats of leaving, lol

aboammar wrote on 8/4/2020, 12:59 PM

Maybe try to download the driver manually from NVIDIA- perhaps Vegas is pointing to the wrong one for some reason: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/drivers/

I was able to update NVIDIA driver (I don't use GeForce experience) without being on 2004.

For HEVC and DJI files I would transcode or proxy all of them for Vegas. HEVC aren't really intended for editing (great for efficient file size though) and some DJI formats are trouble (and I think were blacklisted from Vegas hardware decoding until recently).

Give Resolve a try- it's free for the basic version and it pushes the GPU hard. I don't really enjoy it as editing software and returned to Vegas.

Give Resolve a try- it's free for the basic version and it pushes the GPU hard. I don't really enjoy it as editing software and returned to Vegas. Honestly, calling the free version of Resolve as "basic version" is understatement because the free version have everything the paid version have and only missing some advanced features such as HDR grading, multi-user collaboration, 3D stereoscoping grading, noise reduction & motion blur effects. In my opinion, those features are not very important to most users. I upgraded to the Studio version just to get noise reduction & motion blur effects which are important to me and because the upgrade is a one time payment of only $299.

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oskari-m wrote on 8/4/2020, 1:08 PM

@aboammar exactly my thoughts 100% - i have kept coming back for years recently because of the familiar interface and how things work, as i've gotten used to it. And never really found the patience or time to learn a new software when work presses hard, even the experience has been crashy and buggy for a long time. And earlier on i got fond of Vegas because of very good performance and rock solid stability. There was nothing like Sonic Foundry Vegas on a Windows NT4 computer, blazing fast and stable. seems to be the opposite atm :(

Recently i've honestly spent more time with tweaking than getting productive work done (preview ram tweaking, gpu acceration on / off , So4 compound on/off , driver reinstalls , legacy decoders on / off , openCL / NVENC etc etc....)

@supergafudo

if your system works, it's great and good, you have a reason to be happy with it. It still doesn't means other peoples experience are the same. People have different systems, and vastly different video files and codecs they work with. And it seems like VP really is not working well for everybody.... For myself, i have never "bashed the people that write the code", just sharing sad and frustrated experiences trying to work with a sofware that keeps crashing. You call me or someone else stupid or incompetent, but it still doesn't make the bugginess or bad experiences go away. There might even be users less stupid or incompetent than yourself that share these problems.

aboammar wrote on 8/4/2020, 1:13 PM

this threads are becoming really stupid. I do not have any interest in Magix or Vegas, I am just an user. I do not understand all the suspicious problems like this. I am using an ancient Q6600 with windows 10 pro, a procesor from 2007, yes 2007, with just 4GB of ram, an ssd and a Radeon RX460 with just 2GB.

I do not have any problem to install, edit or use vegas. How can you be so stupid with the most recent hardware and video cards be unable to edit a video or just install the software and come here to bash the people that write the code that works perfectly and fast in my computer from 2007 but cannot run in yours?

If a software has a bug, this bug is reproducible in almost every computer the soft run. Instead of that we got a bunch of incompetent people with the latests hardware been unable even to install the sofware or having strange errors than only affect them.

Just because you are not facing problems with your "very old" system does not mean others are not facing problems, and for sure does not justify you to call them "incompetent" and "stupids" with "suspicious problems"!!! Grow up and lets respect each other's opinions, even if you do not agree with!

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joost-berk wrote on 8/4/2020, 1:17 PM

@oskari-m I don't want to start nagging about you nagging about Vegas. But If You are not able to update your Windows to the latests version and that is your reason your GPU drivers can't get an update. Why do you turn to this forum to complain? Don't get me wrong, but before you start searching for a solution for the crashing of Vegas, try to get your machine in good condition. There are a lot of folks out here that do not seem to have the issues that you have.

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supergafudo wrote on 8/4/2020, 1:24 PM

@oskari-m I don't want to start nagging about you nagging about Vegas. But If You are not able to update your Windows to the latests version and that is your reason your GPU drivers can't get an update. Why do you turn to this forum to complain? Don't get me wrong, but before you start searching for a solution for the crashing of Vegas, try to get your machine in good condition. There are a lot of folks out here that do not seem to have the issues that you have.

thats is. This is becoming ridiculous, Vegas probably has the most uneducated and incompetent user base of any software, this guy got problems with nvidia drivers, windows update, even with the Minesweeper and comes here to bash this video editor.

My ancient computer from 2007 runs Davinci Resolve very slow, high CPU on the background etc.. etc... but Vegas 15, 18 etc... runs perfectly. But this guys with modern computers are constantly saying that vegas is slow, crash etc... etc... what the hell is that?

aboammar wrote on 8/4/2020, 1:24 PM

Ahhh, here we go again and again..... No matter what the developers do its never enough. And then comes the comparisons and the threats of leaving, lol

Honestly when it comes to stability, I do not believe the developers did enough and maybe it is not their faults! Maybe the Vegas code is just too old it's time fix the stability problem once for for all by rewriting the code from scratch utilizing the latest programing technology!

As for comparisons, I honestly do not understand why many users get offended by it and take it negatively!!! It's a normal behavior to compare competitive products to each other, and if taken positively, it should help the developers to improve Vegas Pro! We are all here because we love Vegas Pro and wish it to be the best NLE on the market, and this will never happen if we do not be frank and compare it to other NLEs!

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supergafudo wrote on 8/4/2020, 1:31 PM

 

Just because you are not facing problems with your "very old" system does not mean others are not facing problems, and for sure does not justify you to call them "incompetent" and "stupids" with "suspicious problems"!!! Grow up and lets respect each other's opinions, even if you do not agree with!

You should starting respeting the developers and the people who comes here to read about vegas, not about people who has problems installing nvidia drivers and using windows update. Also could you send me the files of your project? could you put them in a cloud service so I could download them? Lets see if Vegas is so bad software or some of you are really a disgrace for the community, because or you are editing movies of several hours, strange multicamera settings, rare codecs etc... etc... or this really sound strange that you could not edit a video with your modern computers and people like me with 2007 CPUs are using AMD hardware aceleration, Gpu effects, rendering using the gpu etc... with no problem and no crashes.

So please, could any of you send me your files to see all this terrible problems?

I do not have any afiliate with the vegas team but this is becoming more ridiculous every day. instead of talking about the new features of vegas 18 we have some post with people that cannot even install nvidia drivers saying that vegas is the worst, other guy that cannot even install the demo etc...

this is madness.

aboammar wrote on 8/4/2020, 2:44 PM

 

Just because you are not facing problems with your "very old" system does not mean others are not facing problems, and for sure does not justify you to call them "incompetent" and "stupids" with "suspicious problems"!!! Grow up and lets respect each other's opinions, even if you do not agree with!

You should starting respeting the developers and the people who comes here to read about vegas, not about people who has problems installing nvidia drivers and using windows update. Also could you send me the files of your project? could you put them in a cloud service so I could download them? Lets see if Vegas is so bad software or some of you are really a disgrace for the community, because or you are editing movies of several hours, strange multicamera settings, rare codecs etc... etc... or this really sound strange that you could not edit a video with your modern computers and people like me with 2007 CPUs are using AMD hardware aceleration, Gpu effects, rendering using the gpu etc... with no problem and no crashes.

So please, could any of you send me your files to see all this terrible problems?

I do not have any afiliate with the vegas team but this is becoming more ridiculous every day. instead of talking about the new features of vegas 18 we have some post with people that cannot even install nvidia drivers saying that vegas is the worst, other guy that cannot even install the demo etc...

this is madness.

Clearly you are the only one who is disrespecting others by calling them names such as incompetent, stupids, and even liers by saying "suspicious problems"!! Nobody here disrespected the developers, unless you can not tell the difference between "criticising" and "disrespecting!

You should have tried to help the one who has the problem by initially offering help and asking for the files, but instead you chose to start with disrespecting him using inappropriate languages! After that, you really expect people to seek for help from such a person like you?!!!

And even if the guy was desperate enough to send you the files, that most probably will not help him at all because his system configurations is different than your system configurations, but since you didn't even get this obvious mater, this tells alot about your maturity and your lack of experience in software and hardware compatibility! And before you start, I have a bachelor degree in electronics engineering with over 31 years of experience in computers and software .. Yah, since the days of DOS and monochrome CRT monitors, so probably before you were even born! So yes, I know what I am talking about and obviously I know how to troubleshoot technical problems and even "install" drivers!

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vkmast wrote on 8/4/2020, 2:49 PM

Please refrain from personal attacks on the forum. (Community rule #1).

adimatis wrote on 8/4/2020, 2:52 PM

@supergafudo You're ok man? It seems you are just a bit over the board don't you think?

You might very well be the clever guy who has no problem with his software, ever, or manages to deal with it all, but you could be a little bit more reserved about it. You just might not understand all the Universe. Or do you?

Maybe Vegas team could use such a wonderful skilled soul as yours to deal with various issues.

As for the problems with Vegas, are you saying there aren't any? Or everything wrong is because users being uneducated and incompetent?! That's quite a statement which would put the whole Vegas team at shame - as they themselves admit there were and still are a number of issues.

Anyway, your contribution to this thread is appreciated. It helped me understand that some posts are more acceptable than others. :)

 

aboammar wrote on 8/4/2020, 2:55 PM

Please refrain from personal attacks on the forum. (From the Community Manager)

Dear, vkmast .. I would be very happy to do that, as long as the other party do the same instead of calling people with inappropriate names.

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aboammar wrote on 8/4/2020, 2:58 PM

@adimatis Thank you.

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vkmast wrote on 8/4/2020, 3:00 PM

Gone offtopic. The thread is closed.