Best alternative to DVD Architect for DVD and Blu Ray?

Teagan wrote on 12/9/2020, 12:39 PM

I can use DVD architect for most things, but I was wondering, what is the best alternative to it that is not like a commercially priced software (less than $500?)? It would have to have dolby digital AC3 for audio, or at least a compressed audio codec that is not PCM.

I'm looking for very customizable menus such as animated thumbnails and maybe a disc label printing program to replace the old Canon one I have now. Also, it has to be legal for commercial sale of the discs. I can ignore any pre-made menu templates and pictures, etc.

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vkmast wrote on 12/9/2020, 6:05 PM

Have you checked TMPGEnc Authoring Works? There is a trial version available.

Teagan wrote on 12/11/2020, 12:07 PM

Have you checked TMPGEnc Authoring Works? There is a trial version available.


Is it against their terms of service to sell the discs I make with that software or any other legal issues like that?

I'd not be using their pre-made templates and pictures to be safe, also.

vkmast wrote on 12/11/2020, 12:19 PM

I haven't used that software and don't know their terms. You need to see their EULA on the Support section of their website. The Contact section there has a link to "Pre-Sales Inquiries".

Teagan wrote on 12/11/2020, 12:45 PM

"NO COMMERCIAL USE: This EULA grants CUSTOMER the right to use the Software for personal use only. Commercial use of the Software or of the work products resulting from its use is not permitted under this EULA."

Well that is unfortunate.

Any other suggestions for software?

Grazie wrote on 12/11/2020, 11:38 PM

@Teagan - Does DVDA fall outside your needs? If so how?

Dexcon wrote on 12/12/2020, 12:07 AM

@Teagan  ... Wikipedia has a list of DVD Authoring software which might be of help to you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DVD_authoring_software

There doesn't seem to be a similar Wikipedia page devoted to BD authoring.

In the professional categories, there's not much currently available. Sonic Scenarist's webpage claims that its BD version is used for most movie studio BD releases, but it must be very expensive because the only way to get a cost is to send your details online to the company and they'll get a rep to contact you. From the Pro choices, DVDA seems to be a really good pick.

 

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Dexcon wrote on 12/12/2020, 1:06 AM

@Teagan

"NO COMMERCIAL USE: This EULA grants CUSTOMER the right to use the Software for personal use only. Commercial use of the Software or of the work products resulting from its use is not permitted under this EULA."

You might want to look at the EULA again, The 'no commercial use' clause is contained within the lengthy DivX licence which forms part of the overall EULA - this just means that the DivX software and coding can't be used commercially. The DivX section is preceded by licence conditions for MPEG and HEVC.

Re the TMPGEnc program itself, clause 1.E seems to say (in legal gobbledygook-ese of course) that the use of any media contained in or created by the program may be subject to royalties for a commercial release if that media within TMPGEnc is owned by a third party. I suggest that this means that if a music track in TPMGEnc is used for a menu for a commercial release DVD/BD, and that music is ultimately owned by, say, a music stock company, then a royalty may need to be paid to that music company. A similar situation may also apply to menus and buttons if they were created by a 3rd party company.

I'd be surprised if other DVD/BD authoring programs don't have similar conditions. Unfortunately, your next Google search might for the keyword 'lawyer'.

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NickHope wrote on 12/12/2020, 3:38 AM

A thumbs-up for TMPGEnc Authoring Works for me. I used it to make many souvenir DVDs for scuba dive trip videos in the past. Very fast and easy to use. In the past I found it had 2 drawbacks compared to DVDA:

1. Only 2 subtitle tracks. But I think this was later increased to 4 and may be more now.

2. It was not possible to program a menu button to do "Resume". I would not be surprised if this is still the case.

I agree with Dexcon that the non-commercial restriction only seems to be with the DivX codec.

Teagan wrote on 12/12/2020, 6:11 AM

@Teagan - Does DVDA fall outside your needs? If so how?

It's great for what I do usually but this most recent project that is 34 hours of hi8 tapes on one disc (for presentation purposes) just isn't working with DVDA7. It ran out of memory due to being a 32 bit program when I had everything in individual files and kept crashing after I put everything in one big file and now I'm rendering about four 10 hour files to see if that would work instead. I will try dvda7 first and if this next time doesn't work I will try another program. This project is not commercial, this hi8 one.

DVDA7 will continue to be my main program after this but I'm just frustrated that it won't work with this large, but very unconventional, project I'm currently doing. I probably won't ever do a project like this again but then again I also do film digitizing and that may go back to tape digitizing in the future, as an option in what I do.

 

Grazie wrote on 12/12/2020, 6:19 AM

@Teagan - You wish to put thirty-four hours of video onto one DVD?

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Teagan wrote on 12/12/2020, 6:30 AM

@Teagan - You wish to put thirty-four hours of video onto one DVD?


A BD-R DL 50GB. Sorry, I did not specify that.

Dexcon wrote on 12/12/2020, 6:43 AM

@Teagan  ... this is getting confusing. In your original post you stated:

Also, it has to be legal for commercial sale of the discs. I can ignore any pre-made menu templates and pictures, etc.

Now you state:

This project is not commercial

Which is it?

34 hours is 3,060,000 frames at 25 fps - more at higher frame rates. Others on the forum are better placed than me to estimate how many bytes per frame would apply on a 4.7 GB DVD disc or a 25 GB BD disc.

 

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Teagan wrote on 12/12/2020, 6:55 AM

@Teagan  ... this is getting confusing. In your original post you stated:

Also, it has to be legal for commercial sale of the discs. I can ignore any pre-made menu templates and pictures, etc.

Now you state:

This project is not commercial

Which is it?

34 hours is 3,060,000 frames at 25 fps - more at higher frame rates. Others on the forum are better placed than me to estimate how many bytes per frame would apply on a 4.7 GB DVD disc or a 25 GB BD disc.

 


Originally I was only looking for a full replacement for DVDA7 but after searching for software like it, which is hard to find, I decided to keep using DVDA7 and only use a new program for this one project that DVDA7 seemingly can't handle. For what I do DVDA7 is excellent but I am preparing for a situation where DVDA7 stops working for some reason, as it seems it's no longer supported for updates (or to even buy it now - even through contacting Magix). If it stops working with windows 10 they can't fix that and I'd have to dedicate an older machine to work on, which is not ideal.

I would really like a replacement that is better than dvda7 but that seems extremely hard to find, especially if I want to use it for the work I do - normally - which involves selling the discs.

Dexcon wrote on 12/12/2020, 7:13 AM

It seems I wasted my time and effort (research) responding.

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Teagan wrote on 12/12/2020, 7:24 AM

It seems I wasted my time and effort (research) responding.


I did not mean to offend you, I would not turn down a program that can do what I want, commercially, but it seems that is not as easy as one google search.

Sonic Scenarist costs $5000 for DVD use and $35,000 for Blu ray use, from what I can find.

TMPGEnc Authoring Works seems great if I can use it commercially, which I may have to contact somebody about. I just emailed them to ask about this generally, I'll see where that goes. Thanks for the tip about the EULA part I posted.

walter-i. wrote on 12/12/2020, 1:56 PM

Your project seems to fail due to physical and quality limits - or to completely exaggerated demands, than to the assets of DVDA. What speaks against putting this monster project on several Blu-Rays? There are very nice DVD cases that can be used to neatly store multiple DVDs.
https://www.amazon.de/Amaray-DVD-Multibox-F%C3%A4chern-Discs-Schwarz/dp/B07HDVDKRS/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=1EC76NWYULS59&dchild=1&keywords=dvd+h%C3%BClle+6&qid=1607802829&sprefix=DVD+H%C3%BClle+%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-5

Hopefully nobody will watch for 34 hours in a row anyway - not even with Corona curfew.

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vkmast wrote on 12/12/2020, 2:39 PM

There are of course actual Blu-ray Megapacks for e.g. 6 discs available. They are a bit smaller as well.

Teagan wrote on 12/12/2020, 2:56 PM

I have a 50 pack of BD-R DL (which were not cheap) but the whole point of the project is to impress people by saying all the home movies are on one disk. I could just put all the mp4 files on it without it being a movie but that just takes away from the point of doing it.

I will try TMPGEnc Authoring Works if this next render does not work. They have pretty good pre-made menus also.

I want to use DVDA since I just have a soft spot for it, it's just so neat.

Teagan wrote on 12/14/2020, 9:40 AM

I completed the project in TMPGEnc and I really like the software except I don't know how to directly change where a button takes you to on the menu. I'm considering using that for blu ray projects if possible I can sell the discs.

I got an email back about commercial use and this is what they said:

"Here is the reference regarding this:
E. Limitation Third Party Royalties Paid. Customer acknowledges that the Software, including but not limited to video, audio, file, stream and any creation of which generated by the Software may necessitate the payment of licensing royalties or other amounts to third parties who hold certain intellectual property rights except for your own private, personal and non-commercial use. Unless otherwise noted specifically herein, Pegasys expressly has no responsibility for any royalties or other amounts or any claims on account of third party intellectual property rights involved in Customer’s such use, creation or distribution.
https://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/license/license_taw6.html "

 

So that sounds like "if you get sued it's not on us".