Expand Edit Tracks

alifftudm95 wrote on 12/1/2020, 4:28 AM

Some people found this features very annoying as most of them accidentally get into this A&B mode, but I found it useful. But I still think the way VEGAS get into this Expand Edit Mode is bit cumbersome.

Maybe VEGAS can follow how Davinci just slip between 2 cutting points without converting the track A&B and change the preview windows etc. It takes roughly 1-2 sec to load it.

 

Also, theres 2 way of getting into this mode. One is via tracks, just right click and select Expand Tracks

OR

Just double click at the end of the event edge or press NumPad5

But I do see some difference between 2 method. Expanding the tracks manually gave u basic look, while pressing Numpad5/double click will expand the preview window too, much more detail I would say.

 

What is the proper terms for this kind of edit? Shift point? slipping point?

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Dexcon wrote on 12/1/2020, 4:44 AM

While not diminishing your suggestion @alifftudm95 because you find Expanded Edit Mode useful whereas as you note many don't because of accidentally opening that mode (so easy to do inadvertently), it may be timely to remind Vegas Creative Software of the many requests/discussions on the forum over the years to make the Expanded Edit Mode an on/off option via Options/Preferences or by Internal preferences - the former the better IMO. 'On' for those who want it for their editing procedure, and 'Off' who don't want or need it and are happy to avoid those accidental activations of the mode.

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alifftudm95 wrote on 12/1/2020, 7:23 AM

While not diminishing your suggestion @alifftudm95 because you find Expanded Edit Mode useful whereas as you note many don't because of accidentally opening that mode (so easy to do inadvertently), it may be timely to remind Vegas Creative Software of the many requests/discussions on the forum over the years to make the Expanded Edit Mode an on/off option via Options/Preferences or by Internal preferences - the former the better IMO. 'On' for those who want it for their editing procedure, and 'Off' who don't want or need it and are happy to avoid those accidental activations of the mode.

That is why I'm saying the way VEGAS implement the Expanded Edit is not that very great.

Because users often accidentally triggered it. VEGAS Should replace it with a shortcut key instead. Like hold left click something or use keyboard combinations to put it in Active.

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VEGASDerek wrote on 12/1/2020, 7:47 AM

We are definitely going to be changing how people enter expanded edit mode. A huge number of users accidently enter into this mode and do not know how to get out. We intended to make these alterations before VP 18 released, but we ran out of time to get it implemented.

alifftudm95 wrote on 12/1/2020, 7:50 AM

We are definitely going to be changing how people enter expanded edit mode. A huge number of users accidently enter into this mode and do not know how to get out. We intended to make these alterations before VP 18 released, but we ran out of time to get it implemented.

Wow nice! Hopefully this can be implemented soon!

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vkmast wrote on 12/1/2020, 7:51 AM

Thanks @VEGASDerek for commenting.

Meanwhile (from the FAQ section 28) the options:

Choose "Edit" > "Select" > "Exit Expanded Edit Mode"

Press 5 on the numeric keypad

Double-click the event edge

Press Esc on your keyboard

walter-i. wrote on 12/1/2020, 8:54 AM

Thanks @VEGASDerek for commenting.

Meanwhile (from the FAQ section 28) the options:

Choose "Edit" > "Select" > "Exit Expanded Edit Mode"

Press 5 on the numeric keypad

Double-click the event edge

Press Esc on your keyboard


Documented 100 times, overlooked 100 times - I hope it will take less than 100 days to implement what @VEGASDerek prophesied!

👼🎅 (Christmas is not far .....)

vkmast wrote on 12/1/2020, 9:47 AM

@walter-i. do you think users will find the solution if/when it gets implemented?😬

Dee wrote on 12/1/2020, 10:12 AM

The idea is to keep the event edge double click mechanism to enter/exit EEM, but provide a message to turn it off along w/ a Don’t Show Me Again option. This way users can still discover EEM, but have the option to override the double click default along with an option to reset it.

walter-i. wrote on 12/1/2020, 10:54 AM

@walter-i. do you think users will find the solution if/when it gets implemented?😬

@vkmast
If I remember correctly, very, very few in the discussion asked for this function to be retained.
If I remember further, these few were not newbies to video editing, but mostly experienced users. And they will look for this function - and find it too.
Conversely, getting lost in the expanded edit mode affects a predominant proportion of new users who are not that familiar with where they can find good information about the software.

At least I hope so.😇
We'll see - it certainly couldn't get any worse

Dexcon wrote on 3/15/2021, 2:38 AM

Yaaayyyyy!!!!!!!!!!

Vegas Pro 18 new build 482 now has the ability to turn on or off the Expanded Edit Mode. Its the bottom check box entry in Options/Preferences/General (tab). It's turned off by default.

Thank you Vegas Creative Software.

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vkmast wrote on 3/15/2021, 3:07 AM

Still, please do not confuse the Expanded Edit Mode with the Expand Track Layers feature.

The old FAQ advice: "28.  Why is my video track split between "A" & "B" tracks?
If a red square bracket appears at the end of one of your video events then you are in Expanded Edit Mode. To exit expanded edit mode, do one of the following:

Choose "Edit" > "Select" > "Exit Expanded Edit Mode" or Press 5 on the numeric keypad or Double-click the event edge or Press Esc on your keyboard

If no red square bracket appears then your track layers are simply expanded. To "unexpand" them, right click on the track header (the area to the left of the track) > uncheck "Expand Track Layers".

Dexcon wrote on 3/15/2021, 3:11 AM

@vkmast  ... sorry - I keep getting the 2 modes mixed up. I've corrected my comment above from half an hour ago.

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RogerS wrote on 3/15/2021, 6:36 AM

Hooray! May I never see this mode again : )

alifftudm95 wrote on 3/15/2021, 7:22 AM

Thank god its no longer there, great job VEGAS Team, but that slide edit like resolve maybe can try to implement to VEGAS.

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lenard wrote on 3/15/2021, 8:27 AM

What is the cause for this?