Using Vegas Pro 16, build 424, when rendering video it is way too large at the end of rendering.
Per the template I use:
Use this setting to create the highest quality 16:9 file suitable for uploading to Internet sites.
Audio: 128 Kbps, 48,000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, AAC
Video: 29.970 fps, 1920x1080 Progressive, YUV, 16 Mbps
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1.000
I started with a 18M file and finished with a 397M file!!! Any idea what happened?
- What is the delivery destination: YouTube/Vimeo, other?
- Can we assume "M" is MegaBytes (MB)?
- How long? (minutes)
- What format/codec: AVI, AVC, other?
I'll be the first to ask for more information, which is needed for recommendations and such. See the sticky:
**IMPORTANT!** - INFORMATION REQUIRED TO HELP YOU
Video file size is based on two things 1: Length of Program, 2: Bitrate. Since we don't know the length of the program, we can't guess how to make it smaller.
I started with a 18M file and finished with a 397M file!!! Any idea what happened?
You used the wrong codec to render that file.
You should have used one of these 3
Which you can also customize to choose the same of lower bitrate as you sourcefile(s).
M is megs, yes. The original video was about 13 minutes, the final edited video is 8:19. I added in a bunch of animations and notations (work video), but something went wrong this time I can't figure out why the final file is so large.
Windows 10, recorded in Camtasia, self hosted web video (work), Video format: AVC, farme size 1920x1080, Frame rate 29.970 (NTSC) bit rate 16,000,000
Please post MediaInfo for source and rendered file, please. You were thoughtfully given a link.
I barely had time to look at anything else, let alone download and learn some new bit of software. Don't even understand half of what is referenced over in that thread. I did try the settings that were mentioned by j-v, but that didn't reduce the size much. Most of the time I'm just uploading my stuff to YouTube, bu this is for work, and I really need to reduce the file size.
Anyway: From the source video:
then the rendered video:
The video referenced in the link posted above is out of date. I can't select the information like they did in the video, I had to export it to a file. Lets try this again.
Source video:
General Complete name : C:\Users\Big Daddy\Desktop\Work videos\EVM videos\EVM 2-Monthly analysis\EVM Monthly Analysis Needs Editing.mp4 Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42) File size : 18.7 MiB Duration : 15 min 59 s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 164 kb/s Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-23 18:38:17 Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-23 18:38:17Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : Baseline@L3 Format settings : 3 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : No Format settings, Reference frames : 3 frames Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=125 Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 15 min 59 s Bit rate : 107 kb/s Width : 852 pixels Height : 480 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 25.000 FPS Standard : PAL Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.011 Stream size : 12.3 MiB (66%) Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-23 18:38:17 Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-23 18:38:17 Color range : Limited Codec configuration box : avcCAudio ID : 2 Format : AAC LC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity Codec ID : mp4a-40-2 Duration : 15 min 59 s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 53.6 kb/s Maximum bit rate : 73.4 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 44.1 kHz Frame rate : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 6.13 MiB (33%) Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-23 18:38:17 Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-23 18:38:17
And final video:
General Complete name : C:\Users\Big Daddy\Desktop\Work videos\EVM videos\EVM 2-Monthly analysis\EVM 2-Monthly analysis final 8-28-19.mp4 Format : MPEG-4 Format profile : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/isom) File size : 485 MiB Duration : 8 min 20 s Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 8 129 kb/s Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-28 18:33:49 Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-28 18:33:49Video ID : 2 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4 Format settings : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, Reference frames : 2 frames Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=15 Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 8 min 20 s Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 7 996 kb/s Maximum bit rate : 16.0 Mb/s Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.129 Stream size : 477 MiB (98%) Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-28 18:33:49 Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-28 18:33:49 Codec configuration box : avcCAudio ID : 1 Format : AAC LC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity Codec ID : mp4a-40-2 Duration : 8 min 20 s Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 128 kb/s Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel layout : L R Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 7.65 MiB (2%) Language : English Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-28 18:33:49 Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-28 18:33:49
Using the one of the MP4/AVC presets that j-v recommended, you can reduce the file size by going to 720p, which is still considered HD. To reduce the file size further, lower the bitrate factors,, Select the desired preset and choose; "Customize Template". However, there is a trade-off.. generally, smaller file size = lower quality.
There are some really good quality small file size render options in 'Happy Otter Scripts'. The standalone Handbrake transcoder can render good quality/small size files as well.
Your source video has a bad qualty, is not High definiton as your first render try is and has very low bitrate. The bitrate says a lot about the quality, but if you are satisfied with your source you have to render to the codec I gave you earlier with this customized Magix AVC template
Change or type at the circeled numbers and at 7 choose which option you have there on your hardware.
And for the best quality screencaptures nowaday you can better choose OBS. See here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-what-obs-studio-settings-work-well-with-vegas-pro--109925/
First I'll mention upscaling the video from 480p to 1080p. That's already 5 times the bits.
Then the ridiculously low source bitrate. Not something I would expect to work at any resolution. You might try Handbrake, but your source is already suboptimal (that's the nice term).
Normally we would expect minimal 480p AVC to come in at least 10 times larger, or 1500 Mb/s. That's not trivial if you plan on upscaling.
I have no control over the source, it's what I was given, as we have Camtasia on our work computers. can't download OBS. So how do I make it work? Honestly, most of you are speaking Geek.
Plain talk anyone can understand: Don't upscale.
Dont expect a transcode to be smaller.
You can't make a silk purse from a pig's ear.
That's the best advice I can give.
So one final thought. Why does it have a 19MB file going in and (got it down to) a 279MB file coming out? Does Vegas Pro 16 add THAT much to the file for a few edits and some minor graphics?
It's all explained above. Study and search. Welcome to the forum.
So one final thought.
@Jim-N - I’m listening....
Why does it have a 19MB file going in and (got it down to) a 279MB file coming out?
@Jim-N - In this instance it’s BitRate.
Does Vegas Pro 16 add THAT much to the file for a few edits and some minor graphics?
@Jim-N - No, it’s the Template you’ve chosen. That’s your decision. Nothing to do with edits and minor graphics.
@Jim-N
I like to ask you a few questions:
1. Why is it you don't let not Camtasia upload your made file with that program to the internet sites you can choose as Youtube, Vimeo and all you further want?
2. Why do you record with that program in the lowest possible resolution and with the smallest filesize?
3. Why do you use Vegas Pro 16 to make something while you can also most things you maybe want to do, also with and in the Camtasia Edit program?
4. While you probably don't know even the most simple things of editing, why do you use the Pro Vegas program and should be better doing with the most simple version of Vegas Movie Studio?
etc, etc.
@Jim-N
I like to ask you a few questions:
1. Why is it you don't let not Camtasia upload your made file with that program to the internet sites you can choose as Youtube, Vimeo and all you further want?
Not my decision, I'm getting the files from someone else, and don't get me started on how or why they want to record in their own way. We can't load to YouTube or any othe rpublic site, or else I wouldn't worry about it.
2. Why do you record with that program in the lowest possible resolution and with the smallest filesize?
See answer in 1.
3. Why do you use Vegas Pro 16 to make something while you can also most things you maybe want to do, also with and in the Camtasia Edit program?
Vegas is much easier to use. I did edit a few videos in Camtasia last year, and these made with Vegas look much better.
4. While you probably don't know even the most simple things of editing, why do you use the Pro Vegas program and should be better doing with the most simple version of Vegas Movie Studio?
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but you don't even know me. Just because I don't know bit rates and other microscopic details, doesn't mean anything. I enjoy making. editing, and producing my own videos, and I am getting better. Just don't do this for a living and have never had any classes or personal instruction other than the Vegas videos I find by Vegas and others. I also don't have time to sit in front of my computer for 20 hours a day every day to figure it out.
Maybe this primer and glossary will help you get started without taking too much of your valuable time. Vegas Pro has a learning curve, and you won't have too much success until you've tackled it.
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/speaking-good-video-a-beginner-s-guide--104463/
So one final thought. Why does it have a 19MB file going in and (got it down to) a 279MB file coming out? Does Vegas Pro 16 add THAT much to the file for a few edits and some minor graphics?
@Jim-N That happens whenever you don't match your render output to the bit-rate, frame-rate, and the frame size of your source. Just use the template @j-v made for you... he already did the math for you. In the future, you might want to pull your video in 1st, let Vegas set the project to match the video, then look at the project settings to see what the frame size and frame rate are so you can adjust the closest render template to match. Then it'll just be a question of aiming for a reasonable output file size by raising or lowering the average bps in the template. Looking at the source bit rates with MediaInfo can help with that. I usually aim for slightly higher than the source rates if I've added any material or fx.
Ok.
Thanks for the answers, they clear the most for me.
I wish you further happy editing with Vegas!
Your source video has a bad qualty, is not High definiton as your first render try is and has very low bitrate. The bitrate says a lot about the quality, but if you are satisfied with your source you have to render to the codec I gave you earlier with this customized Magix AVC template
Change or type at the circeled numbers and at 7 choose which option you have there on your hardware.
And for the best quality screencaptures nowaday you can better choose OBS. See here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-what-obs-studio-settings-work-well-with-vegas-pro--109925/
When attempting to edit #5 & #6, Vegas puts then to preset numbers and will not allow me to input those numbers. I also can't see the top line of the template you started with.
When attempting to edit #5 & #6, Vegas puts then to preset numbers and will not allow me to input those numbers.
Than I think you have not the lastest available build of VPro 16
I also can't see the top line of the template you started with.
I said that it is the template I showed you in my first answer to you.