MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 vs. Main Concept AVC/AAC MP4 with VMS15 Platinum

robbif2 wrote on 5/8/2019, 10:48 AM

I've had recent recurring bugs/crashing rendering MP4s with Magix AVC/AAC in VMS15 Platinum. I'd switched from Main Concept as soon as I had a Magix version of VMS. I just switched back to Main Concept which rendered without a problem.

At this point I don't want to diagnose the problems because I'm in production of several shoots. Besides I have VMS16 Platinum which successfully rendered the same projects with Magix AVC/AAC.

And granted I may be picking up Main Concept from previous versions of VMS. And I'm trying to stay conservative in using VMS15 to finish the existing projects while waiting to see any more reported problems with 16.

All of which brings me to my actual question (thanks for reading this far!): Please compare the two renderers, recommend one or the other, or point me to the specs.

Thanks!

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Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 11:35 AM

@robbif2 question, are you using the MainConcept AVC render format within MS15, or a previous version of Movie Studio?

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robbif2 wrote on 5/8/2019, 8:29 PM

Hi Eagle, Yes, I'm using Main Concept with VMS15 on my Windows 7 tower where it shows up in the Render As menu. On my Windows 10 laptop VMS15 Render As menu does not include Main Concept. My conclusion, only my Win 7 tower has VMS11 installed and I believe, but have not confirmed, that VMS15 picks up Main Concept from VMS11. Result: no-crash renders...sofar.

EricLNZ wrote on 5/8/2019, 8:48 PM

@robbif2 Nice new avatar. With the new Magix AVC/AAC you probably have two choices - MainConcept or QSV if you use Intel. I don't know what comes up with other graphic processors. So you need to look at which option you are actually using because as you can see Magix AVC/AAC is using MainConcept.

j-v wrote on 5/9/2019, 1:27 AM

@robbif2
For using the old Mainconcept in VMS 15 and 16, you have to allow it in the internal preferences.
In my screenshot you see the default setting of VMS 15

I always try to use for my rendering in VMS 16 a customized default Magix AVC rendertemplate that gives me better performance than the old Main Concept that cannot use a modern GPU without renderfaults with me. My most used rendersetting is this customized one of Magix AVC

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3POINT wrote on 5/9/2019, 1:58 AM

Which advantage has your modified template against the standard template, beside lowering bitrates, changing the quality preset and switching from VBR to CBR?

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j-v wrote on 5/9/2019, 2:40 AM

For me this one gives me the best and the fastest result with the smallest filesize.
I found that settings by experimenting rendering my videotuts to a good, fast and small filesize ready for fast upload.The by OBS made (with the intel GPUhelp) screengrabs I edit and render out with at least this customized template in VPro 16.


That template was my startpoint for doing the same with my camera-, GoPro 7- and smartpone video's to play on my 4K TV. Now and than I render also with the Magix HEVC codec for even smaller filesizes but while they take longer rendertime and I have enough available place on my small harddisc for the USB connection , most of the time I switch back to AVC because I can play that on more devices.

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3POINT wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:55 AM

Screengrabs from Vegas interface with almost no motion and large areas with the same color definitely doesn't need high bitrates. But, I wouldn't use these settings for videorecordings from a (U)HD camera with lot of motion and details.

I don't care about renderspeed or filesize, only picturequality counts.

But ofcourse you can use those settings when they fullfil your needs.

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robbif2 wrote on 5/9/2019, 3:36 PM

Thanks for all the feedback! I'm editing 2 shoots and preparing to shoot another tomorrow and will try to answer during the weekend.

Eagle Six wrote on 5/9/2019, 4:16 PM

Hi Eagle, Yes, I'm using Main Concept with VMS15 on my Windows 7 tower where it shows up in the Render As menu. On my Windows 10 laptop VMS15 Render As menu does not include Main Concept. My conclusion, only my Win 7 tower has VMS11 installed and I believe, but have not confirmed, that VMS15 picks up Main Concept from VMS11. Result: no-crash renders...sofar.

@robbif2 Your VMS15 on your Windows 10 machine also has the MainConcept AVC render format and templates, however they are hidden as a default. Go 'Options' hold down the 'Shift' key while left clicking on 'Preferences'. Now the Preferences display will also show an 'Internal' tab. Select this Internal tab. Type in the search box at the bottom 'main' and in the list will appear 'Enable Mainconcept AVC/AAC Render plugin'. Change the 'Value' to 'TRUE', click on 'Apply', click on 'OK'. You will then have the legacy MainConcept AVC/AAC render format/template options available.

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

vkmast wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:16 PM

In addition to the above: Selecting also "Allow legacy GPU rendering", this option will allow access to GPU rendering options for Main Concept AVC/AAC and Sony AVC/MVC renderers. (You'll see the Encode mode dropdown menu.)

robbif2 wrote on 5/9/2019, 6:01 PM

vk,
THANK YOU!
I was able to glance at your last 2 replies which have probably saved me from the big reply I was preparing.
Will follow up more as promised.

You actually brought me back to my first question: Lets also assume Magix AVC/AAC is not the cause of my bugs/crashes. What are the differences/recommendations/specs/advantages between the two?

(..now back to editing and packing for tomorrow's shoot)