Ripple Edits Keyboard Short-cuts

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Sylk wrote on 9/8/2019, 9:25 AM

A Question Gentlemen: Should I be able to activate my Timeline Post Edit Ripple and THEN use the KeyStrokes?

@Grazie No, Timeline one is an auto-ripple and absolutly independant of the menu one. If you activate it, keystroke becomes useless since it applies automatically ripple, according icon-submenu choice.

Last changed by Sylk on 9/8/2019, 9:28 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
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[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
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[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
Grazie wrote on 9/8/2019, 9:27 AM

Why? You can either leave RIPPLE (top of screen) activated or use the keystrokes to make the action on demand.

@Former user - Not quite. Should I be able to use my KeyStrokes?

Grazie wrote on 9/8/2019, 9:47 AM

OK, finally getting it: AUTO Ripple has three options and only two have a Letter for quick Selection. Post EDIT Ripple ONLY happens when I've already made and EDIT - er, yeah, that's like "Post Edit"?

So, two things I've confused: Post and Auto Ripple. Then I've added further confusion by thinking I could use KS for the Auto Ripple, from the Post Edit Ripple which I can't. But then there is that matter of the Underscored letters on the dropdown on the Auto Ripple.

Thanks Friends. 😍

 

Former user wrote on 9/8/2019, 9:54 AM

Underscored letters are Windows way of showing the keyboard shortcut.

Grazie wrote on 9/8/2019, 9:59 AM

@Former user - Quite.

Sylk wrote on 9/8/2019, 10:04 AM
But then there is that matter of the Underscored letters on the dropdown on the Auto Ripple.

The Letter to use when menu is opened and/or when you use keyboard and ALT key to open the menu. e.g. ALT, E and D = Delete.

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
Marco. wrote on 9/8/2019, 10:08 AM

You can activate an Auto-Ripple mode, not Post Ripple Edit. As mentioned several times here and which seems to be the base of the initial misunderstanding, Post Ripple Edit is not a mode or a state but a single process, directly to be done after an Event was moved or trimmed.

Grazie wrote on 9/8/2019, 10:08 AM

@Sylk - Yes.

vkmast wrote on 9/8/2019, 10:13 AM

I and I suppose others too can use the underscored T, B, and A to select/change option in the dropdown menu of Auto Ripple in the Transport and Editing Toolbar.

Rednroll wrote on 9/8/2019, 10:14 AM

Thanks for the further explanations. It definitely took me awhile to get my head wrapped around this and the earlier explanations, since it seemed counter intuitive of what you see as options shown on the screen.

So my understanding of this now is that those keyboard short-cuts work when you have ripple edit turned off, you perform an edit and then decide after you've made the edit that you really intended to have ripple edit turned on, so you use one of those KB short-cuts to perform the ripple action after the edit has been performed. Like @Dot mentioned they're not a state change of the ripple edit mode options, they're an action to perform that specifice type of ripple edit after the fact of performing an edit.

Confusing, but I get it now and I kind of prefer this behavior.

BTW, if anyone is interested. I've been busy configuring the InfiniMote Android app I discovered which can be used as an external customizable controller using a tablet as a control surface. I've currently been going through and defining a button for every Vegas defined KB short-cut. Once I get a button defined for every KB short-cut, then I'm going to start creating custom layouts for each of those buttons to best fit my workflow.

I'm currently in the "Time line and Track list" section and working my way through the KB short-cuts in the owner's manual. You're suppose to be able to share these panels but so far I haven't quite figured that part of it out yet.

These are just generic buttons for now but just to give some insight. Color, size, text, layout location and icons of each button can be customized.

InfiniMote calls these customizable layouts as "Panels"

john_dennis wrote on 9/8/2019, 10:31 AM

Oh, for a console with tactile switches that go clunk when you strike them like the IBM keyboard that I've had since 1989 and I'm using to type this right now. No latency with the click response based on tablet processor speed. But that's just me. 

The downside: No one can sleep in the house while I'm working.

Sylk wrote on 9/8/2019, 10:38 AM
Confusing, but I get it now and I kind of prefer this behavior.

@Rednroll

In fact, exactly like the Delete Key doesn't delete nothing if nothing is selected and can't be deleted. No more confusing finally, no?

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
Rednroll wrote on 9/8/2019, 11:03 AM

Oh, for a console with tactile switches that go clunk when you strike them like the IBM keyboard that I've had since 1989 and I'm using to type this right now. No latency with the click response based on tablet processor speed. But that's just me. 

The downside: No one can sleep in the house while I'm working.


I hear you, but just an FYI, that problem has already been solved. It just needs to become more affordable and adopted at this point. Look up "Haptic" touch displays.

I currently work for a small electronics company called Samsung where display technology is one of their fortes. So I've had some first hand experience with this technology and it's pretty cool. Essentially, the touch screen will be able to provide your finger tips all that button press feedback, and all the associated click/clunk noises that come with them and more. You'll still be able to keep everyone up in the house, but now if they start yelling at you for making so much noise, you'll have the capability to turn it down. 😆

I work in the automotive application division for Samsung where the vision is that things like your steering wheel switches will become small touch screen displays where the buttons on the display will provide you all the tactile feedback as the current steering switches. Same for all the other displays and other buttons throughout the vehicle. Like most things, you'll likely experience it on the Smartphones first.

So when tablets and smartphones start adopting the haptic technology more, my control surface will be ready to go. 😉

So far using this app with Vegas, I am experiencing absolutely zero latency with button presses using an older inexpensive Asus TF103C 10.1in Android Tablet.

Rednroll wrote on 9/8/2019, 11:26 AM
Confusing, but I get it now and I kind of prefer this behavior.

@Rednroll

In fact, exactly like the Delete Key doesn't delete nothing if nothing is selected and can't be deleted. No more confusing finally, no?

I get how it works now, but I don't quite agree with your analogy.😉

When there's 3 Keyboard short-cuts defined and there's 3 Auto-Ripple mode selections with the EXACT same names as those keyboard short-cuts, then that's where the confusion comes in.

So with your analogy it would be more like pressing the Delete key but it wouldn't Delete a selected event unless you had Write protection turned ON since in this instance you have to have Ripple Edit turned off, to have those keys perform an action.

Grazie wrote on 9/8/2019, 11:44 AM
When there's 3 Keyboard short-cuts defined and there's 3 Auto-Ripple mode selections with the EXACT same names as those keyboard short-cuts, then that's where the confusion comes in.

@Rednroll - Out of Confusion, could come Solution!

Rednroll wrote on 9/8/2019, 11:57 AM
When there's 3 Keyboard short-cuts defined and there's 3 Auto-Ripple mode selections with the EXACT same names as those keyboard short-cuts, then that's where the confusion comes in.

@Rednroll - Out of Confusion, could come Solution!


Now I just need to decide how I would prefer to work. 😆

My original thought was that I would have a (Auto) Ripple On/OFF button (Ctrl+L) and then just press one of these keys prior to making the edit to decide what items I wanted to ripple with the edit when I had Ripple Edit turned on. Now I'm thinking, I will likely not even use the (Auto) Ripple on/off button and just perform the edit and then press one of these 3 KB short-cuts to perform the ripple after the edit.

I always like going through the keyboard short-cuts, you always seem to find hidden gem features you didn't know existed. Is there even a way to perform this type of post-edit ripple without these KB short-cuts? Or is it a hidden gem that is only found using the KB short-cuts?

Sylk wrote on 9/8/2019, 1:24 PM
Confusing, but I get it now and I kind of prefer this behavior.

@Rednroll

In fact, exactly like the Delete Key doesn't delete nothing if nothing is selected and can't be deleted. No more confusing finally, no?

I get how it works now, but I don't quite agree with your analogy.😉

When there's 3 Keyboard short-cuts defined and there's 3 Auto-Ripple mode selections with the EXACT same names as those keyboard short-cuts, then that's where the confusion comes in.

So with your analogy it would be more like pressing the Delete key but it wouldn't Delete a selected event unless you had Write protection turned ON since in this instance you have to have Ripple Edit turned off, to have those keys perform an action.

Except that the auto-ripple doesn't show the keystrokes, while the post-ripple yes. Perhaps a clue at start.

And like i said:

A Question Gentlemen: Should I be able to activate my Timeline Post Edit Ripple and THEN use the KeyStrokes?

@Grazie No, Timeline one is an auto-ripple and absolutly independant of the menu one. If you activate it, keystroke becomes useless since it applies automatically ripple, according icon-submenu choice.

Logical or not?

Next, as Post-ripple function isn't available is grayed, if Delete function isn't available is grayed. That's what i meant.

Without hard feeling 😘

Software:
[OS]  : Windows 10 Ent. x64 v1903 (18362.535)
[NLE] : Vegas Pro 17.0 (Build 321) // (Build 284 if posted before 9/24/19)
[DRV] : Studio 536.23 (Display, PhysX, HD Audio) // (Game Ready 436.15 if posted before 9/24/19)
Hardware:
[GPU] : Gainward RTX 4090 Phantom / GTX 1080 Phoenix GLH
[CPU] : Intel Core i7-2600K @3.4GHz OC@4.5GHz (HyperThreaded) | AirCooling: Noctua NH-D14
[RAM] : 16GB (4x 4GB GSkill Ripjaws X DDR3 1600MHz 9-9-9-24) @1333MHz
[SSD] : Samsung 860 Pro 1TB
[MOB] : Asus P8P67 Deluxe (Rev.1), No iGPU support
[SND] : Asus Xonar Essence STX
[PSU] : Corsair HX750
Devices:
[DSP1]: 30" DELL UltraSharp U3011 @2560x1600
[DSP2]: 28" Samsung U28D590 @3840x2160

[UPS] : Eaton 5PX 2200i RT

[CAM] : GoPro Hero8/4/3 Black. Apple iPhone 11Pro/6S.
[REC] : Zoom Handy Recorder H4.
Marco. wrote on 9/8/2019, 1:42 PM

"Is there even a way to perform this type of post-edit ripple without these KB short-cuts? ​"

Yes, via the Edit menu.

john_dennis wrote on 9/8/2019, 1:44 PM

"Is there even a way to perform this type of post-edit ripple without these KB short-cuts? Or is it a hidden gem that is only found using the KB short-cuts?"

For those people that like to use drop-down menus...

I prefer to leave the Auto Ripple Switch off and do the ripples after I do an edit with loud keyboard shortcuts. I turn it on for some operations, but, too often, forget to turn it off and waste time undoing everything I just did. Leaving it on is particularly pernicious with J-cuts and L-cuts.

vkmast wrote on 9/8/2019, 1:50 PM

Another

Is there even a way to perform this type of post-edit ripple without these KB short-cuts? 

As in this demo video.

See also online Help, under Post-edit ripple the items Applying a post-edit ripple manually and Applying post-edit ripples automatically..

Rednroll wrote on 9/8/2019, 4:14 PM

OK, finally getting it: AUTO Ripple has three options and only two have a Letter for quick Selection. Post EDIT Ripple ONLY happens when I've already made and EDIT - er, yeah, that's like "Post Edit"?

So, two things I've confused: Post and Auto Ripple. Then I've added further confusion by thinking I could use KS for the Auto Ripple, from the Post Edit Ripple which I can't. But then there is that matter of the Underscored letters on the dropdown on the Auto Ripple.

Thanks Friends. 😍

 

We must have similar minds. When I looked at the term "Post Edit", that means it ripples anything to the right of the point of the edit/cursor position, thus in timeline terms "POST" aka AFTER the edit point. I guess Post in this instance means After you've performed the edit. I guess that means we'll never see a "Pre Edit" ripple feature. 😄

vkmast wrote on 9/8/2019, 4:28 PM

 I guess Post in this instance means After you've performed the edit.

Indeed. From the online Help I referred to: "The contents of the timeline are rippled after the edit according to the option you choose".

Former user wrote on 9/8/2019, 5:02 PM

Also very useful.. “Select all after cursor”.

Rednroll wrote on 9/8/2019, 7:41 PM

Indeed. From the online Help I referred to: "The contents of the timeline are rippled after the edit according to the option you choose".

"The contents of the timeline are rippled after the edit according to the option you choose"

And you don't consider that to have 2 different meanings when working in the timeline view?

It seems the online help could be a little more helpful if worded so it couldn't be interpreted 2 different ways.