Thanks for answering me, to be honest I have already done some tests with the vegas pro 18 demo, and I must say that some things are better than ediusX, for example on vegas you put the clips in native 4k timeline and you don't render and everything lines up smooth without clicks on the timeline, but for example I use 3 monitors, 1 monitor 24 "x timeline, 1 monitor 24" x fx and clip broswer, 1 monitor 27 "x full screen preview 1920x1080, and with ediusx just click on the timeline to see on the 3 monitor the preview, while on vegas every time I have to go to the preview window or the browser one and click on the monitors icon see Attachment to see full screen on the third monitor, the thing is annoying every time click on the icon to choose which preview to see on the third monitor, then I noticed that vegas has more transitions effects, and also as a titler vegas is superior to edius, for now these are my impressions on the 2 editing software.
I still haven't understood the video formats supported by vegas 18 pro, for example the prores? or the dnxhq? are they supported?

augusto-m. You can also use the Keyboard shortcut:

Video Preview on External Monitor Alt+Shift+4

There are a lot of Keyboard shortcut in the Help menu, shortcuts that can simplify your workflow.

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Thanks this I did not know, and it is very useful.
Instead, as regards the fact that vegas pro often crashes at least in previous versions I have read around on the web, with version 18 there are no more sudden crashes or crashes, right?
With edius x I never had blocks even if I worked for 8 consecutive hours.
thank you.

The very advantage of Vegas Pro against other NLE systems often are seen on the side of efficient workflows which in Vegas Pro can be much more streamlined than in any other NLE. Scripting is one of the magic words here.

If your pc has intel graphics please note the current driver before following VP18 recommendations before updating. Edius often does not perform well with latest intel driver.

No problems with updating nVidia drivers.

Thanks this I did not know, and it is very useful.
Instead, as regards the fact that vegas pro often crashes at least in previous versions I have read around on the web, with version 18 there are no more sudden crashes or crashes, right?
With edius x I never had blocks even if I worked for 8 consecutive hours.
thank you.

Going back a few years Vegas crashed more often than other video editors but it was reasonably common for many of the GPU accelerated NLE's to crash, but now, it's only Vegas that crashes all the time. VP18 didn't fix anything, many of the complaints from users say it became less stable when users moves from VP17 to 18

As a Comparision Premiere Pro has never crashed (I use it the least), Resolve never crashes, although it did repeatedly with a single problem plugin, and once during one of the V17 beta's. Filmora - has never crashed. VP18 crashes multiple times a day. I can source footage from many places, if you mostly had a single source, such as editing your camera's footage you can luck out.

Vegas 18.434 is my favorite NLE for paid work. See my positive comments here.

As noted in my other post, I was paid 2X my normal rate to expedite a project this week and to get 'er done I had (4) instances of Vegas batch-rendering various customer-requested files, was authoring a Blu-ray in DVDA, and had my 9900K CPU running at 100% nearly all-day without a single issue.

BTW, I actually have a Panasonic FZ 1000 that I use for some volunteer work at my school. If it gets stolen or damaged I'm not out big money, etc... The files it produces work great in Vegas, even on my 6-core laptop with built-in 2060 GPU... I don't even mess with loading them on my 9900K workstation because they laptop is fast-enough... (It has a M.2 for the OS, separate M.2 for source video, and a SDD for target video...)

Over the years I have found that some files produced by others' various cameras can have a mild error, etc. in them that other NLEs will forgive but that will crash Vegas. IMO V18.434 hasn't done it to me yet, but don't be shocked if that happens. In his case I just convert it to a higher quality intermediate using another app & then import the new file into Vegas. Nothing lost but a coffee break...

Resolve crashes- I've had issues with certain types of footage and certain NVIDIA drivers. FinalCut had some project destroying bugs when I used it before, but I was always very careful to create project backups at each stage.
I found VP 18 similarly stable to later builds of 17, which was basically stable (had issues with a few plug-ins, though).

ProRes is supported by Vegas.
Dnxhq I'd avoid for now as it uses an old decoder in Vegas.

Thanks to all the advice, and as regards the video card, vegas is known as edius for being a light program where it does not require very powerful video cards, such as davinci resolve or premiere pro, so my gtx 1650 4gb is sufficient to work in 4k with native files?
thank you.

ps (possibly what format to convert h264 files to to work better with vegas, and what software to use to convert h264 files to prores or other formats?)

Vegas natively supports h.264 so there is no need to convert. Vegas uses GPU hardware to decode such files as well.

GTX 1650 4GB should be fine, it depends on your expectations and what you are doing. I do 4K 24p and Vegas is fine with the GTX 1050.

If a file isn't playing back smoothly you can right-click on media and "create video proxy" in Vegas.

Over the years I have found that some files produced by others' various cameras can have a mild error, etc. in them that other NLEs will forgive but that will crash Vegas. IMO V18.434 hasn't done it to me yet, but don't be shocked if that happens. In his case I just convert it to a higher quality intermediate using another app & then import the new file into Vegas. Nothing lost but a coffee break...

If a file isn't playing back smoothly you can right-click on media and "create video proxy" in Vegas.

I can confirm this.
I had problems with 4K files from my Sony AX 53 when I scrolled too quickly over the timeline with the cursor. Vegas constantly froze after a short time. Using proxies solves this completely.
HD files do not cause any problems at all.

Some people like to complain about Vegas at every opportunity - but if you make a little effort and look for the concrete causes, it becomes much easier.

Working with Panasonic H264 files too. No problems at all.

Use the trial version and see if how it performs on your computer. I personally have no issues with VP18 and my computer spec'ed in my Signature below.

BTW, I also own Resolve 17 Studio which is now out of beta, and yes, even it crashes.

I started with VP14 Edit and have upgraded with each version. My only "gripe" is that it seems the initial releases can on my computer be crash prone. But after a patch or two. All is well.

Reyfox ,  Resolve will tax your GPU, CPU, PSU, Ram and Vram in a way that Vegas can't, if you have a problem with your computer, it will likely be exposed. Try never to have another application open that uses loads of Vram, even though V17 is just out of beta, crashing due to software bugs seems mostly to be a Mac M1 problem, and people using the wrong GPU driver on Windows. But I think what's most important is that you know the Resolve team wont' let you down, and if it is a software problem, it will be Resolve'd

augusto-m, edius is much more stable than VegasPro18, many bugs relating to stability and crashing are left unResolve'd going back to VP11, and VP15, never fixed and you gotta ask yourself why? I believe you will enjoy VP18 and appreciate how much more you can do with it in comparison to edius but don't be mislead into thinking it's stable software and dont' buy based on promises that everything will be fixed soon. Use all the media sources, project settings, editing process's and encoding formats you believe you would want to use now and in the future. If everything is good for you then that's great 😃

Reyfox ,  Resolve will tax your GPU, CPU, PSU, Ram and Vram in a way that Vegas can't, if you have a problem with your computer, it will likely be exposed. Try never to have another application open that uses loads of Vram, even though V17 is just out of beta, crashing due to software bugs seems mostly to be a Mac M1 problem, and people using the wrong GPU driver on Windows. But I think what's most important is that you know the Resolve team wont' let you down, and if it is a software problem, it will be Resolve'd

augusto-m, edius is much more stable than VegasPro18, many bugs relating to stability and crashing are left unResolve'd going back to VP11, and VP15, never fixed and you gotta ask yourself why? I believe you will enjoy VP18 and appreciate how much more you can do with it in comparison to edius but don't be mislead into thinking it's stable software and dont' buy based on promises that everything will be fixed soon. Use all the media sources, project settings, editing process's and encoding formats you believe you would want to use now and in the future. If everything is good for you then that's great 😃

 

 

ok thank you

For this one time I see Lenard as not just praising Resolve but rather saying that it can tax systems to the point of failure. That's right in my experience, too (and crashing was "helpful" in diagnosing a thermal issue I had that I wrongly thought was just a bug in Vegas rendering). It seems to have issues with certain media as well.

As to whether bugs will be resolved- well I think all NLEs are a perpetual work in progress. I'm pretty happy that Magix's recent fixes have directly addressed some of the major issues that have come to light on this forum. I like that Vegas doesn't hide anything from you and the track-based approach is intuitive and quick.

There are a few places where Vegas benefits greatly from Ofx plugins, I recently got NeatVideo for noise reduction and last year picked up Graide Color Curves for selective color adjustments. With the latter I don't feel like I'm missing what I used to need Resolve for- hue vs hue, hue vs sat, etc.

The best way to test Vegas is to do a project in it and come back here if you get stuck!

When using a NLE for the first 'big' render it whorth monitoring the CPU & graphics card for thermal problems. That way if the render 'falls' over you have an indication of hardware or software problem. If you have 2 NLE's installed the problem can be further narrowed down Likewise if you are pushing thermal limits in Winter , problem might emerge in summer.

In the end I made my choice I bought a Gygabyte 1660 super 6gb, it works great.
For now vegas 18 fascinates me and I keep trying it until the trial version expires and then we'll see what to do, thanks everyone.

@augusto-m I avoided Vegas for many years because it had an ugly, confusing looking user interface. Then, with a Humble Bundle purchase of Vegas Pro 14, after two weeks of using it, I was hooked and upgraded to VP15 Suite, 16 Suite, 17 Suite, and now VP18. The bulk of my editing is with Vegas. It isn't as demanding as it used to be, but editing should be something I dread, but something I enjoy. And editing with Vegas for "me", is a joy.

 

I fully understand what is required to run Resolve. As I wrote, I own 17 Studio. Most editors will tax a computer, not just Resolve.

Not Vegas, it's why I made that point. Please join us on the Resolve forum. Many people from other editors will fall victim to the Resolve performance bug, not a real bug, but will tax a computer like no other editor. I enjoy many editors and I look forward to augusto-m joining the vegas family

 

I fully understand what is required to run Resolve. As I wrote, I own 17 Studio. Most editors will tax a computer, not just Resolve.

Not Vegas, it's why I made that point. Please join us on the Resolve forum. Many people from other editors will fall victim to the Resolve performance bug, not a real bug, but will tax a computer like no other editor. I enjoy many editors and I look forward to augusto-m joining the vegas family

Sorry but how is it possible, they say that davinci resolve studio 16 is the best video editing program in the world, the most powerful and always works, they also use it to edit the cinema film, and you say instead that resolve has problems? I can not believe!

also it seems that davinci resolve does not need a very powerful GPU
  just a GTX 1060 3gb and a pc like an I74790k is more than good for editing video in 4K, do you think?
At least that's what they told me.