Vegas Pro 14 Announcement - w Native ProRes!

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/23/2016, 2:06 AM
How many of you have really tried to work with ProRes in Vegas?

The first issue is that the luminance range is spread after the import in Vegas. Means that if you shoot with a GH4 and a Shogun to 16..255 what you can adjust in the camera, then you will end up with clipping of the highlights. Even 16..235 will be shown in the wrong luminance range.

Second, ProRes is not decoded as 10bit in Vegas Pro 13, what makes the whole processing of ProRes senseless (since if somebody uses ProRes then he is not going for a typical consumer workflow).

Third, Vegas crashes when you import a certain number of Shoghun or Q7+ ProRes files. On my old system the limit was about 20-25 files.

All together and also with the security questions, what I have seen never as a real issue for me, but all togehter Vegas is not usefull for a ProRes workflow up to now. I think we will not see an export function to ProRes due to licensing constrains, but it would be enough if we can edit ProRes with a correct luminance and decoding also with more then 10bit in Vegas.

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VidMus wrote on 6/23/2016, 2:58 AM
I have never used ProRes and I have no plans on using it, so I have absolutely no interest in it.
zdogg wrote on 6/23/2016, 3:00 AM
People should understand what a 'high end' player Magix is.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/showmessage.asp?messageid=945677

I am sharing as a longtime Magix Samplitude user to give those who are "exited" about this announcement even more reason to be exited. This is a marriage made in heaven. Magix has needed this type program to round out their catalog, and as such, they will be highly motivated along these lines to make this work. They are quite responsive to their user base otherwise, and I think you will see some real expertise and technical muscle added to the elegance and ease of execution that is Vegas. Vegas on German engineered steroids.....
Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/23/2016, 7:03 AM
" have never used ProRes and I have no plans on using it, so I have absolutely no interest in it."

Great for you. But I for example have decided that I use high-quality formats like ProRes or XAVC. And I want to edit that in Vegas.

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composerman2 wrote on 6/23/2016, 8:21 AM
I hope by adding native ProRes support, this indicates the development of Vegas into a cross-platform editor. One of the things that I like about the Adobe products is that I can use them on my Macbook and my Windows PC. I was always a Windows user, but recently have switched to the Mac OS when I needed a new laptop, as I was able to run both the Mac OS and Windows on the same machine. I realize that this makes some people squirm, but at the end of the day it's about the final product-computers are just tools. That being said, the Mac is lacking for an editor in the Sony Vegas class. Sony Vegas is the only reason that I still have Windows machines in my studio. I'm hoping that Magix takes the cross-platform scenario seriously.
K-Decisive wrote on 6/23/2016, 9:40 AM
Awesome!! This is all I wanted to hear.

This is assuming it's reading prores.mov and hopefully a few other .mov encoded formats ( hopefully DNX ) without any snapple-ware.

Why this is great (for me at least) is if you shoot on Black Magic cameras in Prores ( or other cameras/ recorders that do) , it saves the initial step of converting them in Resolve. You can go straight to edit, then round trip back to Resolve later.

Also if they implement LUT support at some point in many cases Resolve could be skipped when shooting log ( with is pretty much always )
Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/23/2016, 11:59 AM
I made the roundtrip in the beginning with TMPGenc, converting ProRes to Cineform. The idea to use Resolve and grade ProRes v-log l from my Shogun in Resolve came later, but works fine. To avoid Resolve is possible if Vegas will support also LUTs and improve the luminance and color correction too.

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igniz-krizalid wrote on 8/25/2016, 8:42 PM

I have Vegas pro 13, looking to upgrade to 14, Vegas has always been a wonderful program with lots and lots of features and very fast, for me all it needs to be is more robust with support for newer multicore processors and gpus, in this 14 version new features are very welcome but please please add an "Information palette" with a list of any effects applied to the timeline and I will be so happy, thank you!

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digfish wrote on 8/25/2016, 8:49 PM

What are you supposed to do to get emails from Magix? I have purchased Vegas 5,6,7,8,9,10,11 through Sony and never got any email about the Magix Vegas 13-14 offer. So I purchase Vegas 13 through Magix direct and I am not getting emails from Magix either ... :(

megabit wrote on 8/25/2016, 8:56 PM

[i]Vegas Pro 14 Edit delivers pure Vegas Pro core technology in a cost-effective package. New features include smart restoration and upscale features, interoperability with HitFilm 4 Pro, new plug-ins by Sony, and NewBlueFX, new hardware support for High DPI monitors, Blackmagic, AJA SDI devices and RED cameras, and application wide performance improvements. Vegas Pro 14 Edit offers more formats, supports more workflows, and provides the tools for more creative control than ever before.[/i]

The part I bolded out above I read as a promise Decklink will be able to preview at QFHD / DCI 4K (at the fps depending on the version of the card). i spent a hefty amount of cash on the highest version of the card, the 4k Extreme 12G with HDMI 2.0 - and frankly would be happy to take full advantage of my investment, i.e. use it not just in Resolve, but also Vegas Pro 14 and later. PLEASE Magix; the current limitation to 1080i only is an artificial one! Thanks

Piotr

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NickHope wrote on 8/26/2016, 2:01 AM

What are you supposed to do to get emails from Magix? I have purchased Vegas 5,6,7,8,9,10,11 through Sony and never got any email about the Magix Vegas 13-14 offer. So I purchase Vegas 13 through Magix direct and I am not getting emails from Magix either ... :(

I'm not sure exactly what channel that email offer came through. I didn't receive it but I already have V13. Your Sony Creative Software email preferences are here, the MAGIX newsletter subscription page is here, the V13 + V14 offer is here (still open to anyone until 31st August), and, while on the subject, your email preferences for this forum are here.

vkmast wrote on 8/26/2016, 2:26 AM

I think those users that have received Vegas-related emails from MAGIX got them through "news@vegas.magix.net". I haven't got anything from there either, OTOH I'm getting regularly emails re other MAGIX products. My SCS email preferences (I used to get SCS emails and offers) and MAGIX newsletter subscriptions are OK.

I assume they are still in the process of trying to get the email databases sorted out. MAGIX Vegas team's reps on the forums have promised a welcome email to us (pre-Magix) VPro 13 users in September. Let's see what happens.

Stiven wrote on 8/26/2016, 9:53 AM

Heh :)

Hardware-accelerated HEVC support

I would like to see:

Hardware-accelerated MainConcept :) 

bdg wrote on 8/26/2016, 11:53 AM

I would like to see support for multiple audio busses in Vegas - plus being able to create a BD in 7.1. Vegas is an excellent tool for working with audio but it really does need upgrading, I can't remember the last time we got an audio upgrade.

Chienworks wrote on 8/28/2016, 7:39 PM

Vegas and associated software has handled licensing issues well before. Consider ... MPEG2, MP3, AC3. All of these were originally extra licensed add-ons that are now included in the purchase price and work natively. Can't see why ProRes would be any different, as long as it doesn't raise the price too sharply.

JohnnyRoy wrote on 8/29/2016, 7:47 AM

I would like to see support for multiple audio busses in Vegas

Do you mean rendering multiple audio buses to multiple channels in a QuickTime file? Vegas Pro already does this. Read my tutorial on:

Multichannel Render Template in Vegas Pro

If not, what exactly did you mean?

~jr

bdg wrote on 8/29/2016, 10:24 AM

JohnnyRoy wrote on 08/29/2016, 05:47 AM

Do you mean rendering multiple audio buses to multiple channels in a QuickTime file? Vegas Pro already does this. Read my tutorial on:

Multichannel Render Template in Vegas Pro

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That looks close to what I want, (very nice looking tutorial) I will need to follow it through in practice, it's quite convoluted but hey - once you create a template you're home free.

So, hmm, I need Quicktime, I think I deleted that from my pc when there was that scare receintly. Damn, ahh lets see, I guess I'll just have to download it again.

OK, let's say that works for my immediate needs, I would still like to be able to create a BD with 7.1 audio. And, of course, I would like to see native support for 1st order Ambisonics. (B format). Just in case you're not aware, Ambisonics is going mainstream in virtual reality...

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bdg wrote on 8/29/2016, 11:44 AM

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Ahh, mzuri! That's handy, I wondered how you used that.

LongTallTexan wrote on 8/29/2016, 12:32 PM

After see the Movie studio release I would love to see 360 video support and editing capabilities 

 

fawtz wrote on 9/7/2016, 7:31 AM

BWF full support; both import and export ?

 

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 9/7/2016, 8:25 AM

What does BWF stand for? Even Google isn't clear on this. I wander how necessary it is to use such acronyms, fawtz?

NickHope wrote on 9/7/2016, 8:51 AM

Broadcast Wave Format... or Badminton World Federation ;)

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 9/7/2016, 10:01 AM

See? And since I never came across that format in my line of work and since I have grown to be so intolerant of the overuse of acronyms in posts, I overreacted and apologize for my ignorance and eat my slice of humble pie. 🍕