Vegas Pro 14 Announcement - w Native ProRes!

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bdg wrote on 9/7/2016, 10:09 AM

No need to be humble - Golly, up to a couple of days ago I thought a DIT was something pre-teens got on their faces.  <grin>

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 9/7/2016, 11:00 AM

Well, of course dit means dot. I know that! I am more ashamed for atacking fawtz.

bdg wrote on 9/7/2016, 11:07 AM

The DIT on set is that young guy skurrying between cameras with packs of SSD's. The Digital Imaging Tech.

NickHope wrote on 9/7/2016, 11:47 AM

Paul, I did have to look BWF up myself :)

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 9/7/2016, 12:02 PM

Oh. So I was OK with my first reaction, because really, look how much effort it took us to clarify a matter caused by someone who didn't care enough to bother entirely spelling out a short post.

fawtz wrote on 9/7/2016, 8:57 PM

Oh my god, no need to take it like that (I laughed at "Badminton World Federation").

Well, Vegas used to be mainly audio at first and it's a feature that's been asked under the "Sony years" of Vegas Pro for quite some time now. I thought maybe Magix could consider that feature for an upcoming version. Kind of a wrapper that will keep name of tracks, timecode data, notes, etc when recording multitrack. Sony Vegas Pro was announced as "Broadcast Wave Files" compliant when released under a version I don't remember the number and a few fellows were half happy half sad it could open the aforementionned format files but would ditch all the info when saving into the same format. I know Sound Devices' Wave Agent does that and that it's free and figured out it kind of could be implemented into Vegas Pro to help it compete on some basics with ProTools for example. At least for some of us who are not at a top level with mixing but would like to head towards that and profit from the ease it brings on some jobs in a way. I so much love the intuitiveness of Vegas Pro even if I've not been using it for some time now (stopped at Vegas Pro 7) that I would like to update if this implementation was to happen into Vegas Pro 14 or Vegas Pro 15. I now notice I could have asked in the Vegas Pro Audio forum to be more accurate with my questioning but since we're talking about synchronizing audio and video....

In the same line of thinking, IF you don't know about it and would like to give yourself a rush about film/video shooting technical advancements during recent years, have a look at what the guys at TimeCodeBuddy (UK)/Denecke (USA) partnership or Ambient (Germany, see their Ambient Clockit Network, or ACN) have been doing. It is possible now to collide tons of information about the technicals of cameras, audio, script, even call sheets, etc into these systems to make it all concentrate into one single "hub" that packs it all up for reports and classifying. Seriously, it's amazing what can be done now and it's been "booming" in probably the last three or four years only. All wireless. TimeCodeBuddy is even releasing GoPro backs within next weeks to provide timecode if you want to lock everything on a set and it's gonna be cheap, something like 250$-300$ if I'm right. A timecode box for camera used to be 10 times bigger and would cost 800$ ten years ago. It's on GoPros. Now. Can you imagine editing into Vegas Pro with timecode for a three-day shoot with 8 GoPros and, say, 3 Canon C300 cameras plus a sound guy doing multitrack? A breeze... :) ... PluralEyes is nice but it's got its limits...

 I did not figure out I was so condescendant by asking and for my next rare posts I will spell everything right since you were OK with your first reaction and I'm obviously the intruder here. Naaaah! Really, no hard feelings! :D  Maybe we'll get to know each other better Paul-Fierlinger and yes, I take note. Probably was too excited about asking and did it in a flash this morning, including creating my account before rushing to work (actually recording Broadcast Wave Files for what seemed to be an endless day).Cheers.  ;)

Falaffel Ashton William Thorogood Zit.

vkmast wrote on 9/8/2016, 6:24 AM

fawts, the poster himself has quite a track record as well.

gianluigi-v wrote on 9/8/2016, 2:04 PM

Hi guys!

How do you think will be the upgrade policy from Vegas Pro 13 (Sony) for Vegas Pro 14 (13?) From Magix ?????

( An anxious fan of Vegas Pro )

NickHope wrote on 9/8/2016, 10:33 PM

How do you think will be the upgrade policy from Vegas Pro 13 (Sony) for Vegas Pro 14 (13?) From Magix ?????

MAGIX ran an offer until July 31st to upgrade to Vegas Pro 13 for $199.95 with a free upgrade to Vegas Pro 14. We were also told in July by MAGIX staff: "Those of you who already use VEGAS Pro 13 will receive a separate upgrade offer in September. Hang tight!"

So I think you can expect: a) an upgrade will be possible, and b) it will cost less than $199.95, at least for an introductory period.

As a guide, note that during the V13 introductory period in 2014, an upgrade to Sony Vegas Pro Edit 13.0 cost $124.95, to Vegas Pro 13.0 cost $149.95, and to Vegas Pro 13.0 Suite cost $299.95 (according to an email I was sent on 28th May 2014).

gianluigi-v wrote on 9/9/2016, 1:47 AM

April 2017 will be the intended date of issue !?!?! 🙂

Cobra44Magnum wrote on 12/8/2016, 7:48 PM

I just tried to open an H.265 4K/30FPS video in Vegas Pro 14 but it said that no video was contained in the file. What do I need to do to open H.265 video files in Vegas Pro 14? This is the main reason that I upgraded to this version.

NormanPCN wrote on 12/8/2016, 11:47 PM

What's the file container type? MP4, MOV, other? Maybe post a MediaInfo report to give some information on your file.

Cobra44Magnum wrote on 12/9/2016, 8:03 AM

It's an MP4. Here is an export of MediaInfo for this file. In case it matters, this file was generated by a DJI Phantom 4 Professional camera drone. The file plays flawlessly on my Windows 10 machine.

General
Complete name                            : E:\Drone\2016-12-04 Ranch Distance Run (P4P)\DJI_0018.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : JVT
Codec ID                                 : avc1 (avc1/isom)
File size                                : 3.81 GiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 28 s
Overall bit rate                         : 99.8 Mb/s
Comment                                  : DE=None, Mode=P

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 5 min 27 s
Bit rate                                 : 100.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.402
Stream size                              : 3.81 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : DJI.HVC
Language                                 : English
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Other
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 5 min 28 s
Default                                  : No
Bit rate mode                            : VBR

Marco. wrote on 12/10/2016, 1:22 PM

Try renaming to *.mov.

Cobra44Magnum wrote on 12/10/2016, 1:47 PM

Okay, just tried that but it made no difference. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

ushere wrote on 12/10/2016, 9:47 PM

Bit rate mode                            : VBR

variable?

Cobra44Magnum wrote on 12/10/2016, 10:38 PM

Not sure why MediaInfo listed that as VBR. At the top of the output it reads "Bit rate                                 : 100.0 Mb/s" which makes sense. That's what the camera is supposed to use for the bit rate.

set wrote on 12/11/2016, 6:39 AM

Not sure why MediaInfo listed that as VBR. At the top of the output it reads "Bit rate                                 : 100.0 Mb/s" which makes sense. That's what the camera is supposed to use for the bit rate.

Need sample to experiment... able to share a short clip in dropbox / google drive / wetransfer / etc. ?

 

Found one here - but this one works... (can be put to timeline):

General
Complete name                            : G:\TEST\Media Tests\DJI Phantom 4K\DJI_0005 h265.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2011.07 (qt  )
File size                                : 510 MiB
Duration                                 : 44 s 0 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 97.2 Mb/s
Comment                                  : DE=None, Mode=M

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 42 s 576 ms
Bit rate                                 : 100 Mb/s
Width                                    : 4 096 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 1.896
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.378
Stream size                              : 509 MiB (100%)
Title                                    : DJI.HVC
Language                                 : English
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Other
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 44 s 0 ms
Default                                  : No
Bit rate mode                            : VBR

 

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Cobra44Magnum wrote on 12/12/2016, 8:59 PM

I downloaded that clip and was able to use it in Vegas Pro 14. The properties showed H.265. I think something in the header is messed up on the files that my drone is producing. I have uploaded a 3-second clip from my drone and have pasted the link below. I have verified that I cannot use this in Vegas Pro 14 although I can play it in Windows. Can someone download this clip and take a look, please?

 

https://1drv.ms/v/s!ArIFEVg5KvU7i5oqm2eshe7tXc5p8Q

NormanPCN wrote on 12/12/2016, 9:24 PM

I downloaded and tried the file. Vegas does think the file is AVC. Probably for the reasons I mentioned in your other thread on this topic.

This is the text from a right click on the media file in Vegas, choosing properties and then looking at the general tab. compoundplug in the Vegas code used for general MP4+AVC file input.

Plug-In
  Name: compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 14.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 14.0 (Build 201) 64-bit
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

 

The ffmeg remux command I mentioned in the other thread does fix this until MAGIX gets this fully sorted. I don;t think DJI should be outputting the avc1 ID in the file header since avc1 indicates AVC video. The video stream correctly lists hvc1. Still DJI stuff is out there and people need it to work so Vegas should compensate.

If your DJI can output MOV files that may work around this issue more directly.

set wrote on 12/13/2016, 12:02 AM

I downloaded that clip and was able to use it in Vegas Pro 14. The properties showed H.265. I think something in the header is messed up on the files that my drone is producing. I have uploaded a 3-second clip from my drone and have pasted the link below. I have verified that I cannot use this in Vegas Pro 14 although I can play it in Windows. Can someone download this clip and take a look, please?

 

https://1drv.ms/v/s!ArIFEVg5KvU7i5oqm2eshe7tXc5p8Q

Confirmed - trouble loading this to VP14.201 .

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Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz   2.90 GHz
Video Card1: Intel UHD Graphics 630 (Driver 31.0.101.2111)
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Video Card 1: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 (Driver 31.0.101.2111)
Video Card 2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5 VRAM (Driver Version 517.40)
RAM: 16GB
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Storage: M.2 NVMe PCIe 256GB SSD & 2.5" 5400rpm 1TB SSHD

 

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JohnnyRoy wrote on 12/13/2016, 6:25 AM

I have uploaded a 3-second clip from my drone and have pasted the link below. I have verified that I cannot use this in Vegas Pro 14 although I can play it in Windows. Can someone download this clip and take a look, please?

I downloaded the clip onto my MacBook Pro and QuickTime could not play it at all and Final Cut Pro X could not import it nor could Compressor convert it. I then dropped it into EditReady and it read the file and happily allowed me to convert it to ProRes to that I could edit it in FCP X. So at least on the Mac there is a workflow using EditReady to prepare the files as ProRes for editing.

~jr

GJeffrey wrote on 12/13/2016, 9:27 AM

So at least on the Mac there is a workflow using EditReady to prepare the files as ProRes for editing.

There is as well on Windows...