Brian, make sure you aren't accidentally setting in and out points in your video thumbnail before dragging it to the timeline (pressing I or O while hover-scrubbing over the thumbnail), that could be causing your issue. Colin, are you clicking on the name of the clip, or the thumbnail? Clicking the name works, but the auto-scrub will prevent you from dragging the clip if you click on the thumbnail.

I will try that

Brian, make sure you aren't accidentally setting in and out points in your video thumbnail before dragging it to the timeline (pressing I or O while hover-scrubbing over the thumbnail), that could be causing your issue. Colin, are you clicking on the name of the clip, or the thumbnail? Clicking the name works, but the auto-scrub will prevent you from dragging the clip if you click on the thumbnail.

Thanks - I found I need to make sure the two vertical lines on the thumbnail are at each end of the clip so it shows all white (sorry for the less than technical description:)). Then I can drag the full clip to the timeline. Without care it seems easy to select only part of the clip for import if you move the cursor around.

Are you using the "normal edit tool"?

>>setting in and out points in your video thumbnail before dragging it to the timeline

Does anyone actually use this feature? I find it useless.

>>setting in and out points in your video thumbnail before dragging it to the timeline

Does anyone actually use this feature? I find it useless.

Also useless for me to edit that way. I only do it the way I show with the normal edit tool and afterwards edit it on the timeline.

Are you using the "normal edit tool"?

Yes, I just double checked that. I can work around this so long as I am careful, but I have always been able to simply grab a file with my mouse and drop on the timeline. Strange but figuring this out is above my paygrade:)

If you left click on the thumbnail and move the mouse just a pixel up or down (doesn't have to be straight down or straight up, but the direction does have to be within the bottom two corners in down, or the top two corners if up), you can then drag it in any direction/angle to the timeline.

I looked forward to using the thumbnail scrub edit tool when they introduced it. Like in Resolve, I do quick and dirty end edits of source media I setup and start recording (manual remote secondary cameras), so there is a often a lot of wasted leading and trailing footage on these remote cameras. Then I fine tune the edit on the track. I have never used the trimmer (at least not very much). Unfortunately, as it was released in the first build, it just didn't work out for me for various reasons. I have not tried it yet in the latest build, hopefully it works better now.

If you left click on the thumbnail and move the mouse just a pixel up or down (doesn't have to be straight down or straight up, but the direction does have to be within the bottom two corners in down, or the top two corners if up), you can then drag it in any direction/angle to the timeline.

I looked forward to using the thumbnail scrub edit tool when they introduced it. Like in Resolve, I do quick and dirty end edits of source media I setup and start recording (manual remote secondary cameras), so there is a often a lot of wasted leading and trailing footage on these remote cameras. Then I fine tune the edit on the track. I have never used the trimmer (at least not very much). Unfortunately, as it was released in the first build, it just didn't work out for me for various reasons. I have not tried it yet in the latest build, hopefully it works better now.

Yes, that works - just have to be careful not to inadvertently reduce the length of the clip before inserting it!

For trimming the fat from run-on clips, try Happy Otter Smart Video Trim.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/happy-otter-scripts-for-vegas-pro--113922/?page=2#ca705228

I rarely use the Trimmer. I’m probably unlikely to trim with hover scrub. I have trimmed in a second Vegas instance and pasted into the main Vegas project.

>>setting in and out points in your video thumbnail before dragging it to the timeline

Does anyone actually use this feature? I find it useless.

I will never use it because it requires me to make cutting decisions based on a tiny thumbnail preview, which can't be enlarged. I also think it's a bit dangerous, since you might not realize you've accidentally trimmed a clip. It just feels like one of those features that sounds good in theory but that doesn't get used in reality. There should be a way to disable it. I bet nobody would miss it if it was removed.

If the thumbnail could be made much larger (as in Media Manager for the last 13 years) and/or if the preview showed up in the preview window while scrubbing, then it might be more useful.

Thumbnail hover scrubbing (without trimming) however is useful.

I do find it useful when I'm grabbing a wide angle from a multicam concert shoot that I started a good 10-15 minutes early (if not more), so I had plenty of time to get all other cams rolling and operators into position without having to worry about it... it's useful to quickly be able to trim off the dead space before I drop the file onto the timeline. It's also handy when organizing footage for recaps, but like you said, the ability to make the thumbnails as large as we want would make it much more useful for that purpose.

That said, I agree that it should be a feature we should have to enable by pressing a button, not there by default, as in most cases it isn't needed.

@NickHope possible to a degree

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/is-it-possible-to-enlarge-project-media-thumbnails--113528/

When I installed VP16 I was anxious to explore the Hoover Scrub tool, as I have used this in Resolve to dump unwanted footage (usually leading and trailing in remote secondary cameras). Resolve easy it is, in 'live media preview' mode, scrub along press the 'I' key for 'in point' and 'O' key for 'out point', click and drag the clip to the track. I quickly found that VP16 doesn't work exactly like that, and that was not unexpected. There is no live media preview, but (like in Resolve) the thumbnails can be enlarged, and the 'I' and 'O' are there. Like Resolve, if there are several sections of the clip wanted, you can mark the In/Out points, pull that section to a track, then go back and mark different In/Out points and pull that section to a track, etc. So other than the live media preview (Nick Hope desired feature) and needing to drag down before dragging across to the timeline, to avoid setting In/Out points inadvertently, it works pretty much as I am accustom.

@john_dennis I've been doing a lot of testing of Happy Otter Scripts and appreciate the work that Wayne has done with this extension set, however for what I am trimming in the Hoover Scrub, there are way too many steps involved in the Smart Trim feature compared to the speed of Hoover Scrub trim, drag to track and fine tune the edit without rendering.

@Nick Hope, as @vkmast points out enlarging the thumbnail in the Project Media bin is plenty large enough for these old eyes to determine a rough cut and keep the waste in the Project Media bin rather than the track. Perhaps increasing the enlargement size a bit more would be an added benefit, or as you suggest adding a live preview mode.

After understanding how the trim and the drag features work, it is pretty fast and easy, again for those clips with lots of unneeded fat, reducing your perceived danger. Choices are almost always appreciated for those who prefer different methods, so I agree a toggle on/off would be a nice added setup feature.

@NickHope possible to a degree

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/is-it-possible-to-enlarge-project-media-thumbnails--113528/

Yes I forgot that. It needs way to zoom using an on-screen control (e.g. slider) rather than just CTRL+mouse wheel, so that the majority don't miss it (which they will) and for those without mouse wheels.

With the thumbnails at maximum size, it certainly makes the thumbnail trimming more usable.

I would also vote for being able to make the thumbnails even bigger.

THANK YOU! So glad to see so many complaining about the new "Feature" where you can drag a file to timeline precut. CONSTANT issues with that. It should be deactivated. i dont know how but im constantly finding when i go to grab a file its had custom start / stop points made and it ruins my work.

Thank you to all the people who replies to my query

you have solved my problem and I am impressed with your knowledge

c

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"@john_dennis I've been doing a lot of testing of Happy Otter Scripts and appreciate the work that Wayne has done with this extension set, however for what I am trimming in the Hoover Scrub, there are way too many steps involved in the Smart Trim feature compared to the speed of Hoover Scrub trim, drag to track and fine tune the edit without rendering."

HOS Smart Video Trim is not the appropriate tool just for quickly finding the starting point a few seconds into a file. For situations where the recording ran on and on it allows one to losslessly trim the source so you don't have to archive much more video than you will ever use. Since this spring, I was using the application provided with my Sony camera, Play Memories Home, which cuts to the closest index frame without loss of picture quality. Having to deal with another application and the user interface of PMH would drive one to distraction. Now, I can get the same task done easily in HOS Smart Video Trim without leaving Vegas . Many times I start to roll and the action is delayed by minutes for an event that takes about a minute. I trim a lot of "standing around time" from my media.

My success rate for getting a clip to the timeline without creating an unwanted in and/or out point has so far been fairly dismal in my Vegas Pro 16 trial. I even noticed my difficulty in one of my ad hoc demos.