What makes Vegas Pro unique?

karma17 wrote on 5/28/2019, 2:21 PM

Often, in the defense of Vegas Pro and why I use it, I make the case that I can edit with it and create a video that is exactly the same as can be made with any other NLE out there. But that started me thinking:

Is there anything about Vegas Pro's capabilities and effects that could make someone realize a video or movie was made with Vegas Pro?

What makes Vegas Pro unique?

Just curious how others might answer this.

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Marco. wrote on 5/28/2019, 2:32 PM

If it isn't a new copyrighted FX I doubt any NLE on the market could output a video which look being unique to this certain piece of software. It's all in the creative mind of the editor and there are dozens or hundreds of ways to achieve certain looks. Some NLE make it easier, some make it harder. But in the end …

Scripting and the scripting tools around is one of my Vegas Pro favorite which makes it unique to me because it allows a high degree of usage individualization and which speeds up the workflow. But of course this has nothing to do with the look of the video output. It just makes me looking happy while others are still struggling with their NLE. :D

Steve wrote on 5/28/2019, 2:45 PM

Give me and other NLE users the same raw video and the same target project, and I will finish first. Add in different source formats, multi-camera and still images and I will finish, go to lunch, and come back to watch others still at work.

I asked one editor who uses Premiere at work and Vegas at home, why? His reply, "I get paid by the hour".

3POINT wrote on 5/28/2019, 2:52 PM

Give me and other NLE users the same raw video and the same target project, and I will finish first. Add in different source formats, multi-camera and still images and I will finish, go to lunch, and come back to watch others still at work.

I asked one editor who uses Premiere at work and Vegas at home, why? His reply, "I get paid by the hour".

I totally agree with you for the editing part, I disagree when it comes to finishing/rendering the project.

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vkmast wrote on 5/28/2019, 3:19 PM

OT: Nice to see @Steve still around.

Dimitrios wrote on 5/28/2019, 11:00 PM

Give me and other NLE users the same raw video and the same target project, and I will finish first. Add in different source formats, multi-camera and still images and I will finish, go to lunch, and come back to watch others still at work.

I asked one editor who uses Premiere at work and Vegas at home, why? His reply, "I get paid by the hour".

If I was being negative I would of ended the same question by saying no job listings are asking for vegas editors. Well not actually true but overall it is. I love vegas but it makes finding work very hard as everyone wants adobe suite, it's great if you are your own production house or just the lone editor, or if the people you are working for don't need to be able edit your project file.

If I was being positive I would say that well nothing I can think of is unique, but the vegas timeline is a thing of beauty. More so now than it's every been with customizing buttons. Every other NLE I've used it's timeline just feels sluggish by comparison, it's what keeps me coming back.

Grazie wrote on 5/29/2019, 2:01 AM

Often, in the defense of Vegas Pro and why I use it,

@karma17 - Commendable, but why? Why defend Vegas? What’s in it for you or your quizzical listener for you to jump through “Hoops of Persuasion”?

I make the case that I can edit with it and create a video that is exactly the same as can be made with any other NLE out there.

@karma17 - Again, why explain? What’s in it for you?

OK, for those of you who’ve heard the story before, my apologies. This is when Grazie met the BBC. I was invited by the then owner of VegasPro, SONY, to demonstrate the flexibility, asset to assembly and delivery of VP to the BBC World Service News gathering and listening section. After introductions and in front of a small group of five blokes, I commenced asking for what type/format of Media they had? After their chuckling as to the complexity of their content I rapidly ingested all onto the Timeline. Made several straights Splits/Cuts and Dissolves. I asked for anything more complex? Another Format was feed into the Laptop and I ended up mixing four formats with audio. I then noted that the CC was off and went about WB in the matter of three clicks, only to hear one member mumbling, “that’s me out of a job”. Then I noted there were areas that needed a Luminance lift, did that, and another chap said he too was needing to go elsewhere! I then added Text, their BBC logos and lower thirds and the usual schmeer.

OK, the point being, managing the expectations of other Media Jugglers is as useless an exercise as herding plankton. Being happy, excited, authentic and proud of my own or your content is the ONLY thing that matters. Maybe that’s just what you say: Vegas Pro? It just makes me Proud to be a Film Editor.

‘nuf said.

harry-worth wrote on 5/29/2019, 2:21 AM

Nice one...  :)

3POINT wrote on 5/29/2019, 3:08 AM

Nice said Grazie, but I assume that your demonstration for BBC is already a long time ago...today I feel that VP is sometimes running behind due to the development stop at the time Sony started developing Catalyst and the handover to Magix. Gary and his team is doing a great job to get VP on the road again, but VP is at the moment still the last car in the race...

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Grazie wrote on 5/29/2019, 3:18 AM

@3POINT - And the other thing: Both a User Community and the Engineers wanting better. Thanks for reminding me @3POINT.

So, it’ll Pride+Passion+Perspicacity! The 3Ps, just for @3POINT  - See what I did there?

3POINT wrote on 5/29/2019, 4:48 AM

Actually 3POINT stands for the tri-border crossing of the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. I was born and lived there for more 50 than years, in a small dutch town called Vaals. This POINT is also the highest "mountain" of the Netherlands with 322 meters (1059 ft) above sealevel.

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Grazie wrote on 5/29/2019, 5:03 AM

Wow! Mrs Grazie is an Amsterdammertje (is that correct spelling?). Many years back we attended a wedding in Venlo.

3POINT wrote on 5/29/2019, 5:45 AM

Venlo is not far away in the same province as Vaals. My stepdaughter lives in Amsterdam. Groetjes uit Holland voor Mrs Grazie.

OK, Back topic now.

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Grazie wrote on 5/29/2019, 6:00 AM

@3POINT - Akkoord.

mintyslippers wrote on 5/29/2019, 6:13 AM

SPEED

I can throw ANY footage on the timeline and start editing. No silly conversion or making all the media match one format.

I can then grade and correct the footage and hit play to see what it looks like.

I haven't tried other NLE's for a few years but when I did I couldn't understand why premier users had to convert everything first and then Final Cut users would apply an FX to what was effectively to a still and then had to do the vegas equivalent of a ram preview to watch it back.

It's fast. Which when you make wedding films you need. Were not editing one hollywood blockbuster every 2 years. Were knocking out edits daily.

Plus. Biggest one... I can buy the software and stick with it for years. I am hating how the world has gone subscription mad. Software companies forget that we use more than their software. I dont want to be paying every month for editing software, weather app, games, game services, TV, phone, broardband... you get the idea. If Vegas ever goes sub only. I will be looking at my options. I stuck with Vegas 12 for years as the newer versions had nothing I needed and I would have hated being forced to pay for stuff I dont want.

Former users wrote on 5/29/2019, 6:18 AM

1.It is a very light software, designed for all audiences. It is not necessary to have a super computer with a next-generation graphics card in order to use it.

2. The ease of running custom command scripts.

3.The simple, objective and intuitive timeline that streamlines the editing process a lot.

4. The ability to edit professional video and audio in a single editor.

5.The direct integration with others proffisional audio software.

6.Compatibility with most video and audio plugins existing on the market.

7.The stability that existed up to version 14.

TheRhino wrote on 5/29/2019, 7:11 AM

Is there anything about Vegas Pro's capabilities and effects that could make someone realize a video or movie was made with Vegas Pro?

What makes Vegas Pro unique?

For solo work, once a job is completed it would be difficult to know what NLE was used and most clients won't care as long as you deliver what they want at a price they are willing to pay... However, most pro-work, even budget documentaries, etc. often require collaboration which requires Adobe CS, FCP, etc... Therefore Vegas is my cash-cow for solo work where I quote an entire job for less than competitors... However, I also have Adobe CS & FCP for occasional collaborative work. Adobe, especially after some missteps by Apple, has marketed their products well & developed curriculum for universities so the next generation is being taught how to master Photoshop & Premiere Pro, not Vegas... I am an educator, and IMO most students have not heard of Vegas although it appears to have some popularity among gamers who capture their gameplay to create YouTube videos, etc.

Vegas Pro is unique because, like others have said, I can drop my files & start editing ASAP. I can also open multiple instances & batch render in the background while I prioritize the current job in the foreground. Taking this to another level, I can copy the source media & VEG files & render-out the entire project on a different workstation freeing the resources of my main editing rig for 4K multi-cam work, etc. I've been using Vegas since 3.0 & Vegas has always been unique in its ability to use modestly priced, commonly-available computers to produce professional-looking work.

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Dexcon wrote on 5/29/2019, 8:22 AM

once a job is completed it would be difficult to know what NLE was used

Absolutely. For the primary audience, it shouldn't matter one iota. Even if the audience doesn't like the color grading choices, audio mix, editing style, etc, they'll blame the director, editor, etc - not the NLE. Going back a few decades when going to the cinema, I didn't leave the cinema wondering if the movie was cut on a Steenbeck or a Moviola. Of course, later reading American Cinematographer was very illuminating.

Nonetheless, it does seem to be the case that the industry has an ingrained 'snobbishness' about NLE choices these days.

karma17 wrote on 5/29/2019, 12:22 PM

I totally agree that Vegas is unique and stands out in its ease of use and efficiency.

I guess the only way to know which NLE it might be was if that NLE had some kind of built-in visual effect that was uniquely its own, but I guess even then, you wouldn't necessarily know if the effect was imported or mimicked in another fx program. For Vegas, the only thing I can think of are some of Noise Textures that I think are rather unique and in a sense, almost retro but still kind of cool. The master project file that Magix included with Vegas at one time also had a creative use of Noise Textures that I might recognize as uniquely Vegas too.

 

Dimitrios wrote on 5/29/2019, 3:05 PM

I totally agree that Vegas is unique and stands out in its ease of use and efficiency.

I guess the only way to know which NLE it might be was if that NLE had some kind of built-in visual effect that was uniquely its own, but I guess even then, you wouldn't necessarily know if the effect was imported or mimicked in another fx program. For Vegas, the only thing I can think of are some of Noise Textures that I think are rather unique and in a sense, almost retro but still kind of cool. The master project file that Magix included with Vegas at one time also had a creative use of Noise Textures that I might recognize as uniquely Vegas too.

 

Yeah use of defaultish noise textures or the tv simulator effect always dead give away. This was the first "tutorial" I ever made, but I go over one of my presets which creates a kind of cool effect with noise textures is good for water or displacement or stuff like that.

aboammar wrote on 5/29/2019, 10:22 PM

Is there anything about Vegas Pro's capabilities and effects that could make someone realize a video or movie was made with Vegas Pro?

 

I do not think it is possible that anyone can tell from a finished profissional video that it was done with Vegas Pro or with any other NLE. I have worked/tried almost ALL Windows based NLEs and I am currently using Resolve 16 Studio and Premiere Pro 2019 occasionally beside Vegas Pro. Until today, the most unique features I find in Vegas Pro is the Automatic Crossfade and the advanced and flexible audio capabilities.

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mintyslippers wrote on 6/3/2019, 4:17 AM

Oh god I forgot the scripting support. Vegasaur and the like.

Right now in my Vegasaur render queue I have it processing 1,000+ videos.

Most of them are converting the raw video files to a device friendly MP4. Clients love to buy the raw footage and pay nicely for it.

I have a number of clients wedding films in there. It will render an MP4 for online and USB, DVD and BD versions. This is for a few clients.

IT just means I can hit render and goto bed. It will do the job and shutdown my machine when ready.

aboammar wrote on 6/3/2019, 4:31 AM

 

@mintyslippers Yes, I also forgot to mention this special feature, though its meant for developers which I am not, but definitely I take advantage of many script based plugins such as VASST Ultimate S Pro and Vegasaur Toolkit.

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Marco. wrote on 6/3/2019, 4:47 AM

While without coding knowledge it would be hard to write an own script, in many cases it is rather easy to modify existing scripts (and there are hundreds) without any coding knowledge. So I find this is a unique feature for the mass of Vegas Pro users.

ZachAtk1 wrote on 6/3/2019, 5:18 AM

I could always tell that a novice editor was using VEGAS when frame re-sampling was not disabled. Now that it can be disabled by default in the newer versions, I'd imagine the mistake would be reduced going forward.