audio file and chapter inclusion problems

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 5/23/2020, 10:27 AM

I have rendered the video and audio files separately (as previously informed) within Vegas Movie Studio 16 Platinum.

I also added chapter markers and believe I have checked the option to include these under 'Render Options' before rendering.

My issues are that within DVD architect, I am having an issue with the audio playing with the video and also there appears to be no chapter markers.

I feel like there is something I am overlooking as I am usually able to figure this out for myself.

How do I add the audio with the video and port the chapter markers previously added in the Movie Studio?

 

Thanks in advance.

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vkmast wrote on 5/23/2020, 11:21 AM

I assume you double-checked your workflow.

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 5/23/2020, 4:26 PM

Hi. I will certainly check again. It's my first time doing this (as you can probably tell) and I may have missed a few details.

 

I believe I previously rendered them as:

MainConcept MPEG-2/ DVD Architect PAL video stream and,

Dolby Digital AC-3 Studio/ Stereo DVD

 

There are only two options in the above audio category. The other one is the same but with AGC on.

I will render again making doubly sure. Thank you for your help in this matter.

Steve Grisetti wrote on 5/24/2020, 8:03 AM

Make sure that when you render your video stream you check the option to include the markers in the file.

Also, make sure your video and audio streams have exactly the same names and that both files are located in the same file directory so that when you add one to your DVD Architect project the other is added automatically.

And if you want some how-to instruction, you can check out the tutorials I've uploaded to the Magix library. You can get to them by clicking the Tutorials link at the top of this page.

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 5/24/2020, 8:36 AM

Thank you Steve. Though I do believe I had done this, I will certainly check. Your name looks familiar. I think I've watched a few of your YouTube videos. 😎

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 5/25/2020, 9:56 AM

Make sure that when you render your video stream you check the option to include the markers in the file.

Also, make sure your video and audio streams have exactly the same names and that both files are located in the same file directory so that when you add one to your DVD Architect project the other is added automatically.

And if you want some how-to instruction, you can check out the tutorials I've uploaded to the Magix library. You can get to them by clicking the Tutorials link at the top of this page.

I re-rendered the video and audio and double-checked that I ticked the render chapter markers box and they are still not appearing when inserted into the DVD architect. Could there be something else I'm overlooking?

 

I will watch your videos to see if I can spot something I've done wrong.

Just a reminder, I'm going from Vegas Movie Studio 16 Platinum to Vegas DVD Architect 7 and being in Europe, I'm rendering in:

Video: MainConcept MPEG-2/ DVD Architect PAL video stream

Audio: Dolby Digital AC-3 Studio/ Stereo DVD

 

vkmast wrote on 5/25/2020, 11:37 AM

Which builds of Platinum and DVD A 7? The last Platinum is #175 and the latest DVD A 7 is #100.

I just tested once again using the recommended workflow and could not reproduce your problem.

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 5/25/2020, 4:15 PM

Hi.

Which builds of Platinum and DVD A 7? The last Platinum is #175 and the latest DVD A 7 is #100.

I just tested once again using the recommended workflow and could not reproduce your problem.

DVD A 7 is build 100.

MS 16 P is build 175

 

 

Steve Grisetti wrote on 5/26/2020, 7:13 AM

What happens if, on the DVD Architect timeline where your video appears, you select the option to Load Markers (the file folder along the top of the timeline)?

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 6/16/2020, 11:20 AM

What happens if, on the DVD Architect timeline where your video appears, you select the option to Load Markers (the file folder along the top of the timeline)?

I have mangaged to get the chapter markers in now. I'm not sure If I mentioned that earlier somewhere. Apologies if I didn't.

 

However, I am still having problems with the audio and the feedback from MAGIX has been thus:

 

The most likely reason for this is because you are using AC3 audio format. This is typically an older file format and it is not supported by the newer versions of Vegas. We are aware of this issue and it will be worked on in later versions and updates of Vegas.

You can find the supported formats for both import and export listed here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-movie-studio/specifications/

I would reccommend re-encoding any imports to a supported format and exporting also as a supported audio format and this should clear up your issues.

 

Can you reccommend a format to use when rendering audio from Vegas Movie Studio for DVD Architect?

 

Former user wrote on 6/16/2020, 11:30 AM

Your audio should be exported as AC3. I don't know what that response means unless they are discussing importing into Vegas.

vkmast wrote on 6/16/2020, 11:38 AM

+1 @Former user an interesting "feedback from MAGIX" considering "Rendering Settings for DVDs".

 

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 6/16/2020, 5:53 PM

I'm getting terribly conflicting information. I was very upfront about my intentions, the programs and the build #s had they only checked my prior emails.

 

 

I've had another response after querying it and the lastest reply has been thus:

Here is a link I forgot to include in the last email about AC3 and AAC that very nicely sums up the differences and what each is used for: https://www.quora.com/How-is-AAC-better-than-AC3#:~:text=In%20a%20conclusion%2C%20AAC%20is,on%20older%20Dolby%20Digital%20equipments.

AC3 is mainly used with older systems and equipment such as DVDs or Blu-ray which is why it isn't currently completely supported within Vegas as an editing software. This will be looked into on future updates or versions, though.

And the linked Quora article reads thus:

AAC VS AC3: Compatibility

So far, AAC is the default audio format for YouTube, iPhone, iPod, iPad, Nintendo DSi/3DS, iTunes, DivX Plus Web Player and PlayStation 3. It is well supported by PlayStation Vita, Wii (with the Photo Channel 1.1 update installed), Sony Walkman MP3 series and later, Sony Ericsson; Nokia, Android, BlackBerry, and webOS-based mobile phones. And a majority of in-dash car audio system manufacturers will adopt AAC.

AC3 (Dolby Digital) is widely used in HDTV broadcast, DVDs, Blu-ray Discs and game consoles.

As you can see they've sent me a link to a Quora article discussing the purposes of each format and it would appear that it directly contradicts what I've told them. I intend to create a DVD (with menus), which is why I'm using DVD Architect.

Just to reiterate the article. They say AC3 is for DVD/Blurays, which is what I was doing and and it didn't work in DVD Architect. AAC, which was suggested is used mainly for social media platforms and makes no mention of use with DVDs.

I asked MAGIX for support and they're saying that "most likely reason for this is because you are using AC3". I asked which format would and they provided me with a link that explained the difference.

As a reminder to my program details posted above, I am using:

  • Vegas Movie Studio 16 Platinum - build 175
  • Vegas DVD Architect 7 - build 100
  • Windows 10 PC
  • Intel core i5 8th gen
  • Nvidia geforce gtx 1050 ti

Thanks

Former user wrote on 6/16/2020, 6:05 PM

AAC will not work on a DVD. What is the problem you have using AC3 audio? I guess I don't understand your situation.

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 6/16/2020, 6:12 PM

I may have to check again tomorrow. I am having issues with there being a sound track but no sound.

The sound track loads but there is no fluctuating line as one would expect when sound was present. I also do not hear the sound despite it being perfectly audible within the Movie Studio.

I queried which formats to use and the consensus was to use AC3 as you have mentioned. That's the one I used and practically all the material I've found points to the same.

This is why I am confused as to why MAGIX would say that using AC3 is the problem after I had explained that I'm using DVD Architect to make a DVD.😕

EricLNZ wrote on 6/16/2020, 6:53 PM

@Iain-Barnwell I've found DVDA doesn't always properly recognise AC3 from VMS and wants to recompress it. So I do my audio stream export as wav and tell DVDA to recompress it to AC3.

Former user wrote on 6/16/2020, 8:14 PM

That is because Magix is not using an official licensed Dolby AC3.

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 6/17/2020, 10:00 AM

@Iain-Barnwell I've found DVDA doesn't always properly recognise AC3 from VMS and wants to recompress it. So I do my audio stream export as wav and tell DVDA to recompress it to AC3.

I will try that then. Thanks Eric.

Iain-Barnwell wrote on 6/18/2020, 11:12 AM

@Iain-Barnwell I've found DVDA doesn't always properly recognise AC3 from VMS and wants to recompress it. So I do my audio stream export as wav and tell DVDA to recompress it to AC3.

I find it bewilderingly incompetent for two programs from the same brand/company sold together to have such compatibility issues especially since a user is inevitably going to use DVD Architect at some point to make a DVD out of the video they have just created especially since the recommended file format for DVD audio is AC3. i'm being told one thing and then something else.

In response to what Dot said about:

That is because Magix is not using an official licensed Dolby AC3.

I will say, I find that even more puzzling how they would recommend using AC3 if there is no official license for it.

When two programs do not work in harmony, it begs the question, why are these sold together?

Former user wrote on 6/18/2020, 1:09 PM

I think your issues are unusual. I have used DVDA (5.2) with Vegas forever with no problems. Sony had a license for Dolby AC3 and I still use that. Magix chose to use an AC3 format that is not completely compatible in order to not pay for license (I am guessing). It shouldn't cause a problem but for some reason it does for you. DVDA is no longer being developed AFIAK so no bugs are being fixed.

vkmast wrote on 6/18/2020, 1:45 PM

The P.O.'s comment on the codecs that need to be activated was here ("The first time you use certain codecs"). The list is in this FAQ p.10. It includes Dolby Digital AC-3 Studio.