@RogerS Hope next VEGAS will auto convert video to 0-255 (picture auto 0-255 already) or given a option for that.

@rock-c

When you not want to use an effect (as SeMW) to all your used files and/or pictures, there is another 4th way to add that effect to track, event or project.
Therefore you have to select on your Project Media tab only the ones for that effect and add the effect as Media FX through rightclick on one, all selected files/events get than that effect.

@rock-c

When you not want to use an effect (as SeMW) to all your used files and/or pictures, there is another 4th way to add that effect to track, event or project.
Therefore you have to select on your Project Media tab only the ones for that effect and add the effect as Media FX through rightclick on one, all selected files/events get than that effect.

Mediafx is the first fx of all fxs. It seems that SeMM or VEGAS levels should be added to the last fx of all fxs rather than the first fx.

This was kind of a worry for me for many years (from Vegas 4 actually), but made do with workarounds. But just finally found a full solution using Voukoder Render, by just simply adjusting its input and output color ranges, and now no more color shifts or change in contrasts after render..... Give it a try!

@Steve_Rhoden Voukoder with a filter just change the final rendered work. Voukoder can't affect picture and video's preview levels in VEGAS' preview window.

My problem is that picture materials and video materials don't display in same levels (picture materials is 0-255, video materials is 16-235) in VEGAS Pro preview window.

Well, that exact solution in Preview you are looking for lies currently only in the Vegas team making that required adjustment as an option or an upgrade!

@vkmast I have added a SeMW or VEGAS Levels to preview. It indeed make video events look normal. However it make all pictures looks abnormal (more contrast).

You have to remove it before you render.

Sorry, this sentence should be "I have added a SeMW or VEGAS Levels to preview. It indeed make video events in preview window look normal. However it make all pictures in preview window looks abnormal (more contrast)."

Or

you use second monitor for grading:

which you set up like this:

 

Then you grade for that second monitor.

Good luck! :)

It is a method! However, I just have one monitor, crying....

So?

You have to make them all look how you want them to look, even if you only have one monitor. You have to do it! Put all video on one track (or more), put photos on separate track then grade to your liking: either compensate photo's levels for video's or video's for photo's. Main thing is you get them all in to the same ballpark, but you have to do it, they wont level themselves. :)

Here's a suggestion nobody here has made.

Problem -- you want to apply the correction to your videos, but not your photos

Solutions that aren't working well for you --

1. applying the correction at the project level, because it also would affect your photos.
2. applying at the track level, or individual events, won't work because your video events are scattered across multiple tracks and positions on the timeline -- it would take a really long time

Does that sound correct?

Have you considered applying the correction at the Media level instead?

1. You can do this by either right-clicking an event in the timeline and choosing "Media FX", or right-clicking a bit of video media in the "Project Media" window and choosing "Media FX".
2. Although you can't easily copy/paste media effects natively between media (I wish it was that easy!), you CAN do this very quickly/easily using the Vegasaur tool, multi-selecting media and pasting FX onto them all.

Have you considered applying the correction at the Media level instead?

1. You can do this by either right-clicking an event in the timeline and choosing "Media FX", or right-clicking a bit of video media in the "Project Media" window and choosing "Media FX".
2. Although you can't easily copy/paste media effects natively between media (I wish it was that easy!), you CAN do this very quickly/easily using the Vegasaur tool, multi-selecting media and pasting FX onto them all.

Thanks, but media FX is the first FX of all FXs. It seems that SeMM or VEGAS levels should be added to the last FX of all FXs rather than the first FX.

Well, that exact solution in Preview you are looking for lies currently only in the Vegas team making that required adjustment as an option or an upgrade!

Hope VEGAS team will fix it next build.

You are correct, the levels filter goes last in line

Vegas preview is not broken. Indeed, clipping the levels to give a soccermom look to the preview is not something professionals seek or want as a default behavior. Those who want simulated player levels in the preview should consider looking at Premiere.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pc-to-tv-levels-a-comedy-of-errors--107325/

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-levels-last-and-final-1--120319/

You are correct, the levels filter goes last in line

Vegas preview is not broken. Indeed, clipping the levels to give a soccermom look to the preview is not something professionals seek or want as a default behavior. Those who want simulated player levels in the preview should consider looking at Premiere.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pc-to-tv-levels-a-comedy-of-errors--107325/

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-levels-last-and-final-1--120319/

Maybe most users' need is really critical.

I believe my need (make picture and video all 0-255 in preview) is the same as almost all vegas users' need. "Almost all" is emphasis.

You may want to tack your thoughts on to this thread.

You may want to tack your thoughts on to this thread.

This @rock-c's post seems to be about picture and video display different levels in VEGAS Pro's preview window. Picture is 0-255, video is 16-235.

It is not about whether there is a need to convert between 16-235 and 0-255 or not.

@rock-c

"Hope VEGAS team will fix it next build."

I, for one, hope the Vegas team never even has that discussion in the break room. That change would leave me with twelve years of properly leveled projects that I'd have to revisit in some fashion. I'd rather you learn how to manage levels in Vegas Pro or switch to another editor. I'm OK either way.

Maybe an option in Preferences/Editing "Automatically convert still images added to timeline to Studio RGB (16-235)"?

Maybe an option in Preferences/Editing "Automatically convert still images added to timeline to Studio RGB (16-235)"?

I think how Resolve handles it with the ability to override on a clip basis is good. You can mix media with no problems.

Or let users set for themselves in prefs how they want Vegas to handle video vs full range media including a passthrough neutral option for those happy with Vegas as is.

For me, this is the biggest reason I can't recommend Vegas for new editors. In 2020 I see no justification for why an editor needs to spend time even thinking about this.

Maybe an option in Preferences/Editing "Automatically convert still images added to timeline to Studio RGB (16-235)"?

Good, It will be better, if it is "Automatically convert  dynamic videos added to timeline to Computer RGB (0-255)".

"I, for one, hope the Vegas team never even has that discussion in the break room. That change would leave me with twelve years of properly leveled projects that I'd have to revisit in some fashion."

Same here. I appreciate how Vegas Pro handles levels – just passing them 1:1, straight, clear, accurate – and it was one of the main reasons I once switched to Vegas Pro.

I appreciate how Vegas Pro handles levels – just passing them 1:1, straight, clear, accurate – and it was one of the main reasons I once switched to Vegas Pro.

I agree.

However, what I consider to be a mistake is that "Adjust level from studio RGB to computer RGB" only works in Full screen on an external monitor.
It is disabled in the Video preview window.

This update would resolve many speculations and discussions in the future.

"I, for one, hope the Vegas team never even has that discussion in the break room. That change would leave me with twelve years of properly leveled projects that I'd have to revisit in some fashion."

Same here. I appreciate how Vegas Pro handles levels – just passing them 1:1, straight, clear, accurate – and it was one of the main reasons I once switched to Vegas Pro.

Think about it, why other NLE all automatically convert media (including picture and video) to 0-255 in preview window? Are their developers all fools? Are those developers all sick?

The answer is no. The problem is Vegas itself.

Actually you guys are minority who need 16-235. Almost all other users need 0-255 in preview because almost all video creators display their video in Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, Tiktok, Instagram and many other We-Medias. These peopel are the most majority and they totally need 0-255. The minority shouldn't kidnap the majority.

VEGAS Pro indeed need to auto convert media (including picture and video) to 0-255 just like all other NLE. At least it should add a option for users to select.

Viewing  correction/adjustments via a BM4K card to a TV, scopes set IRE 16-234 with no fx on the preview.

Once happy with the edit can you confirn that render codecs do not redistribute my edit?  If not which codecs are known to make adjustments.  ie what codecs should be avoided?

Thanks G