Upgrade Vegas Pro Version 12.0 to ... yes, what package?

d97jro wrote on 3/28/2022, 6:17 AM

Hi!

I'm a happy user of Vegas Pro 12.0. It's pretty obvious that 12.0 is an ancient version by now, and when the March offer popped up here I thought I'd just might look into upgrading it to a contemporary version. But what to buy? I want to have the same set of tools/possibilities (vast amount of multiple tracks and such) that I have for Vegas Pro 12.0 so I want the current Vegas Pro, I guess.

Checking

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/int/product-comparison/#productMenu

it looks like the "VEGAS Edit" option is what I want, but back in the days there was some Vegas Edit that was a different beast, the entry-level one, that missed some features that I use in the Vegas Pro. But has this changed? I don't need streaming stuff, audio studio and effects that are listed for the current "VEGAS Pro" and "VEGAS Post". But I want to make sure I don't opt for something that won't give me the core/base Vegas Pro program itself.

Any useful input and pointers here would be appreciated.

TIA & BR,

/Joakim

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Dexcon wrote on 3/28/2022, 6:29 AM

The only thing missing in Vegas Edit has been the 'extras' that come with Vegas Pro and Vegas Post - currently:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/product-comparison/#productMenu - but I think that you've already explored this info.

Please be assured that the version of Vegas that you get with Vegas Edit is exactly the same as comes with Vegas Pro and Vegas Post. Because I don't want or need those 'extras' for a number of reasons, I've mostly gone with Vegas Edit. The naming convention is not all that intuitive - it has previously been suggested on the forum that a better naming convention would have been Vegas Pro, Vegas Pro Plus and Vegas Post so as to avoid any confusion.

BTW, make sure that your current computer meets Vegas Pro 19 recommended minimum specifications - https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/specifications/#productMenu - as those minimums are way higher than they were for Vegas Pro 12.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

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C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

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d97jro wrote on 3/28/2022, 6:32 AM

Thank you so much for this excellent information!

  • Vegas 19 Pro 19.0 build 550 (TRIAL)
  • Windows 10 Enterprise 21H1, OS build 19043.1586
  • Running in VirtualBox 6.1.32 on Linux host
  • Intel Core i9-9900K
  • 16 GB RAM (DDR4)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 2 GB
  • NO Quicktime installed on system

 

diverG wrote on 3/28/2022, 2:28 PM

Download a trial & test. You have experience of vp12 so you will have a good idea of how to stress the programme.

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lan-mLMC wrote on 3/28/2022, 10:45 PM

This is from elsewhere for your reference:

When you say VEGAS Edit, VEGAS Pro and VEGAS POST, you mean the name of the sale package, while when I say VEGAS Pro, I mean the name of the software.

VEGAS Edit sale package = VEGAS Pro software

VEGAS Pro sale package = VEGAS Pro software + VEGAS Stream software

VEGAS Post sale package = VEGAS Pro software + VEGAS Effects software + VEGAS Image software + VEGAS Stream software

d97jro wrote on 3/29/2022, 1:43 AM

Awesome replies from all of you, thanks a lot!!

  • Vegas 19 Pro 19.0 build 550 (TRIAL)
  • Windows 10 Enterprise 21H1, OS build 19043.1586
  • Running in VirtualBox 6.1.32 on Linux host
  • Intel Core i9-9900K
  • 16 GB RAM (DDR4)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 2 GB
  • NO Quicktime installed on system

 

vkmast wrote on 3/29/2022, 3:18 AM

From the product pages for your reference:

Peter-Riding wrote on 3/29/2022, 2:34 PM

I too was confused about the various versions having started on (Sony) Vegas Pro 9 in 2009 as at that time and I think for a while after there was not the same functionality. I am on Vegas 18 now.

Vegas Edit looks like a good choice if you do not want the third party add-ons. And those add-ons are of limited long-term value anyway as may not work when you upgrade to later Vegas Pro unless you also pay to upgrade the existing add-ons.

Also be aware that some very useful plugins such as Vegasaur and Pluraleyes (?) only work in Vegas Pro.

RogerS wrote on 3/30/2022, 12:55 AM

Vegasaur and Pluraleyes work in Vegas Pro which is the editing software in all of these packages. I have both add-ons.

d97jro wrote on 3/30/2022, 2:01 AM

From the product pages for your reference:

Yes, reading that table (which I of course did before asking in the forum) made me ask the initial question since it was not at all clear to me what that actually meant. But the 3 first responses from others here in the thread clearly explained things and that is why I also tagged them as solution.

  • Vegas 19 Pro 19.0 build 550 (TRIAL)
  • Windows 10 Enterprise 21H1, OS build 19043.1586
  • Running in VirtualBox 6.1.32 on Linux host
  • Intel Core i9-9900K
  • 16 GB RAM (DDR4)
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 2 GB
  • NO Quicktime installed on system

 

vkmast wrote on 3/30/2022, 3:06 AM

@d97jro yes, previously summarized also in this comment. (Btw, note that only one comment can be tagged as solution.)

Re old versions of "Vegas Edit". Sony Vegas Pro included DVD Architect Pro, Sony Vegas Pro Edit did not, so Edit did not come with the Dolby Digital Professional Encoder as the Dolby Digital AC3 Pro encoder was shipped as part of DVD Architect Pro and did not come with Sony Vegas Pro at all. (More here.) And (MAGIX) VEGAS Pro Edit(s) also included the VEGAS Pro video editing program only.

Maybe by "back in the days there was some Vegas Edit that was a different beast, the entry-level one, that missed some features that I use in the Vegas Pro" you meant the (Vegas) Movie Studio product line which did miss many "more advanced" features, esp. the plain/basic/"classic" version.

Peter-Riding wrote on 3/30/2022, 6:02 AM

Vegasaur and Pluraleyes work in Vegas Pro which is the editing software in all of these packages. I have both add-ons.

Roger, are you saying that Vegasaur works with Vegas Edit and Pro? That does not appear to be the case. I specifically am referring to the Toolkit but some of the other addons say the same

https://vegasaur.com/Vegasaur

"Vegasaur Toolkit 4.x requires Magix VEGAS Pro 14 or newer"

Pluraleyes also appeared to be "Pro" only according to comments I had read.

I acquired DVD Architect Pro through Sony Vegas Pro, used it until recently for DVD and Bluray currently on version 7, but now no longer provide discs just USB sticks plus online and downloads. The AC3 Pro encoder change caused me some confusion at that time. I'm easily confused.

Soundforge Pro 14 was a decent addition to Magix Vegas but it is beyond what I require.

Dexcon wrote on 3/30/2022, 6:34 AM

@Peter-Riding  ... as I pointed out much earlier in this thread, the naming convention of the range of Vegas Pro versions is not all that intuitive and that Vegas Edit IS Vegas Pro. Also vkmast later pointed out that Vegas Edit IS Vegas Pro as per https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-edit/#productMenu

That does not appear to be the case. I specifically am referring to the Toolkit but some of the other addons say the same

On that reasoning, Vegasaur will not work in Vegas Post either because it's not specifically named Vegas Pro. But all three versions - Vegas Edit, Vegas Pro and Vegas Post - clearly show that the base Vegas NLE in all of those versions is Vegas Pro.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

relaxvideo wrote on 3/30/2022, 6:47 AM

Vegasaur and Pluraleyes work in Vegas Pro which is the editing software in all of these packages. I have both add-ons.

Roger, are you saying that Vegasaur works with Vegas Edit and Pro? That does not appear to be the case. I specifically am referring to the Toolkit but some of the other addons say the same

https://vegasaur.com/Vegasaur

"Vegasaur Toolkit 4.x requires Magix VEGAS Pro 14 or newer"

Pluraleyes also appeared to be "Pro" only according to comments I had read.

I acquired DVD Architect Pro through Sony Vegas Pro, used it until recently for DVD and Bluray currently on version 7, but now no longer provide discs just USB sticks plus online and downloads. The AC3 Pro encoder change caused me some confusion at that time. I'm easily confused.

Soundforge Pro 14 was a decent addition to Magix Vegas but it is beyond what I require.

Peter,

my english isnt very good, but it was clearly written before:

"Vegasaur and Pluraleyes work in Vegas Pro which is the editing software in all of these packages."

 

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RogerS wrote on 3/30/2022, 7:24 AM

Roger, are you saying that Vegasaur works with Vegas Edit and Pro?

Yes, I am saying that because I own both. I have used PluralEyes with the Edit package of Vegas Pro since 12. The editing software is the same and supports all plugins regardless of what other things are bundled with Post or Pro.

jetdv wrote on 3/30/2022, 8:51 AM

Vegasaur and Pluraleyes work in Vegas Pro which is the editing software in all of these packages. I have both add-ons.

Roger, are you saying that Vegasaur works with Vegas Edit and Pro? That does not appear to be the case. I specifically am referring to the Toolkit but some of the other addons say the same

https://vegasaur.com/Vegasaur

"Vegasaur Toolkit 4.x requires Magix VEGAS Pro 14 or newer"

Pluraleyes also appeared to be "Pro" only according to comments I had read.

I acquired DVD Architect Pro through Sony Vegas Pro, used it until recently for DVD and Bluray currently on version 7, but now no longer provide discs just USB sticks plus online and downloads. The AC3 Pro encoder change caused me some confusion at that time. I'm easily confused.

Soundforge Pro 14 was a decent addition to Magix Vegas but it is beyond what I require.


@Peter-Riding You're confusing "packages" with "products"

Vegas Edit - the package - includes VEGAS Pro - the product

Vegas Pro - the package - includes VEGAS Pro - the product plus VEGAS Stream

Vegas Post - the package - includes VEGAS Pro - the product plus the extra post products

When a script says it requires VEGAS Pro, that means it will work in all of the above. But it also means it won't work in VEGAS Movie Studio (the last version of which was 17). So scripts always say they require VEGAS Pro because they won't work in the previous Movie Studio versions.

lan-mLMC wrote on 3/30/2022, 10:49 AM

@gary-rebholz 

The Sale Package name still causes confusion among potential users. Many users who only want to buy Vegas Pro Software dare not buy Vegas Edit Sale Package, because they are afraid that it is not a complete Vegas Pro Software.

Therefore, long ago I proposed to change the current Sale Packages names to "VEGAS Pro", "VEGAS Pro Plus", "VEGAS Pro Post". This way users will know which sale package they need to buy, just by glancing the Sale Packages name.

vkmast wrote on 3/30/2022, 11:13 AM

On the other hand, the potential users just need to read the product pages.

This is right above the Online Shop:

And from the Comparison table:

relaxvideo wrote on 3/31/2022, 12:22 AM

Yes, but it's still confusing!..

At first, i also thinked Vegas Edit is a limited version of Vegas Pro, so i have to upgrade my V12 to Vegas Pro package. Now it's clear, but i still don't made the upgrade even with sale price, because some stability issue... If a single 4k/60 hevc gopro file on the timeline will crash when i make only a split, upgrade doesn't worth even the EUR88 to me.

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RogerS wrote on 3/31/2022, 12:52 AM

Did you experience such a crash with the trial of 19?

vkmast wrote on 3/31/2022, 1:57 AM

@relaxvideo please start a new thread of your own for your stability issue. Thank you.

relaxvideo wrote on 3/31/2022, 1:59 AM

RogerS: yes, i used the latest trial.

vkmast: ok