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Eagle Six wrote on 3/30/2019, 5:43 PM

Magix released VP15 in August, they also released VP16 in August. I see a trend here.

UPDATED: Thank you @vkmast for catching my error about February. Ironically I had just closed up MS16 when I posted this!!!

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vkmast wrote on 3/30/2019, 5:47 PM

Those dates were VMS Platinum. VP 14 was Sept. 2016, VP 15 was Aug. 2017 and VP 16 was Aug. 2018.

courtesy of Nick Hope's great work in restructuring this thread recently:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-update-history-so-far--104998/

Amadeus- wrote on 3/30/2019, 5:48 PM

Yea, I noticed a yearly pattern when I researched the version numbers on Wikipedia (which is why I thought to ask the question in the first place.) I just thought Magix may have said something concrete (either that 17 is coming this year or that it's definitely not coming this year) that I might have missed.

j-v wrote on 3/30/2019, 6:04 PM

You missed nothing because no developer shall ever say when it is going to release a next version. here you will find only suggestions of other users who think there is a pattern ( that most companies have and try to follow), but nothing is sure and have to be accurately tested before release. So you have to wait at least a half year.

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Amadeus- wrote on 3/30/2019, 7:10 PM

You missed nothing because no developer shall ever say when it is going to release a next version.

That's not necessarily true. A good many companies (producers perhaps more than individual developers) announce upcoming release dates. Or, at the least, will tell their constituencies to expect something a particular quarter or a particular year. It's possible that Magix may not, and that's their prerogative; however, it's inaccurate to say that "no developer shall ever say when it is going to release a next version."

I wasn't necessarily expecting an exact date anyway. I was just curious if there had been any official talk/indication one way or another that a new version may or may not be released this year.

Dimitrios wrote on 3/30/2019, 10:12 PM

If it is coming out super soon they also tend to advertise a buy one get one, as in buy 16 get 17 when it comes out.

 

3POINT wrote on 3/31/2019, 2:17 AM

What about VegasPro365? That's always the latest version and cheaper than buying an upgrade every year.

Grazie wrote on 3/31/2019, 6:21 AM

What about VegasPro365?

@3POINT - Hmm... ? Is that a Subscription model? And after a year on say VP15 or VP16 and then VP17, would I be able to work with it? Or would my VP 365 then ask me to Phone home and buy into another year? Is that correct?

vkmast wrote on 3/31/2019, 6:29 AM

@Grazie dunno if this answers your question(s), but I'll link to it anyway 😎

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro-365/ Vegas Pro 365 FAQ

Dexcon wrote on 3/31/2019, 6:32 AM

@Grazie … a good point. Earlier today based on 3Points' post, I looked at MAGIX FAQs re 365 - I got the strong impression that if you stop the subscription model, you no longer have access to VP 365 at all. The FAQ said that you can always re-subscribe to 365 in order to go back to edit an old project, or you can re-edit an old project by buying a perpetual purchase of VP that is equal or above the level of 365 to which you previously subscribed.

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Grazie wrote on 3/31/2019, 7:28 AM

@Dexcon and @vkmast thanks for the feedback. The feedback will give others the opportunity to chew or mull over the “offers” either implied or explicit.

3POINT wrote on 3/31/2019, 7:43 AM

The stupid thing about VegasPro 365 is that you have to pay a year in advance. A monthly payment, for at least one year, would make this subscription model far more actractive for starters and also advanced users.

j-v wrote on 3/31/2019, 8:02 AM

A monthly payment, for at least one year, would make this subscription model far more actractive for starters and also advanced users.

Those people have only one year that attractive model, because if you want a longer time than one year the price will be nearly 200 euro's per year and that is nearly the same as the upgrade from a bought Edit version

 

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3POINT wrote on 3/31/2019, 8:13 AM

A monthly payment, for at least one year, would make this subscription model far more actractive for starters and also advanced users.

Those people have only one year that attractive model, because if you want a longer time than one year the price will be nearly 200 euro's per year and that is nearly the same as the upgrade from a bought Edit version

 

To get entitled for the yearly upgrade version, you have to buy a full version first....which costs?

j-v wrote on 3/31/2019, 8:37 AM

€ 40,- the price of an old VMS I'm able to use as upgrade from......

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3POINT wrote on 3/31/2019, 9:02 AM

€ 40,- the price of an old VMS I'm able to use as upgrade from......

+250$ for the upgrade to start with VPRO16, is together almost 300$, usable till probably August 2019 when VPRO17 is released and the next update payment is needed. This against starting now with one year subscription for VPRO365 for just 140$.....

adimatis wrote on 4/3/2019, 5:30 AM

Hi all,

I guess it applies also here the rule that if you are a proper bussines than doing a subscription model makes better sense - keep you always up-to-date.

Otherwise, you would probably skip just one other update so, you wait till version 18 to upgrade from 16 or even 15.

Truth is, once you do a very realistic and pragmatic math, you might discover you dont NEED to upgrade every year, not at all. The fact that we WANT to it's a different story. :) And if you can, you should. This, in theory at least, will keep the software a worthwhile development from their respective companies perspective.

mintyslippers wrote on 4/3/2019, 8:14 AM

We just upgraded from 12 to 16 and very happy so far. The new NVenc codecs are perfect. But we held off for all the other years as there was not a single thing in 12-15 which we needed.

We had a setup. It was stable and I know all too well that each new version brings a wave of bugs which never get fixed until the next paid upgrade. Stability was key for us.

The plus to go from 12-16 meant that we had to buy the upgrades for a lot of our plugins to make the most of it so the investment was higher than just Vegas. Vegasaur being one.

Cielspacing wrote on 4/5/2019, 11:57 PM

There is also the legal terms Magix has devised. Updates are legally planned for 12 months, so no wonder this yearly development cycle is in effect.

//From the "License agreement for MAGIX Products (EULA)" we have these definitions:
"1.2 "Software" refers to the computer program in object code format contained within a MAGIX Product, including all updates and Upgrades, with the exception of provided Contents.
1.5 "Upgrades", for the purpose of this agreement, are supplementary versions of a MAGIX Product."

//Plus, from the "2. Contract purpose" section:
"2.3 With regard to updates and features delivered within the scope of the MAGIX update guarantee, the following applies: The license for updates and features delivered within the 12 months after initial registration of the MAGIX product is limited to the installation(s) in place at the point when the 12-month period expires. If the update guarantee is extended beyond the 12-month period, this limitation does not apply."


 

karma17 wrote on 4/6/2019, 1:48 AM

The Humble Bundle deal is really the way to go if you are the patient type and like insane bargains.

vkmast wrote on 4/6/2019, 2:52 AM

Not sure if what the EULA says about the "MAGIX update guarantee" actually (currently) is applied to the VEGAS line of products. I tend to agree what Nick wrote here (based on my personal experiences with the MAGIX VEGAS products). See also the section on "Products including the update service" here https://www.magix.com/int/support/update-service/. ("the Update Service (formerly Update Guarantee).") I have come across this with some of the Magix non-Vegas products listed there.

(I brought this up here as well in 2017 and got this response from the P.O. of the Vegas dev team. I don't think this has changed.)

 

john-brown wrote on 4/6/2019, 10:52 AM

Presently, there is no "Update Service" for Vegas products. See this page for details of the "Update Service" and the list of products to which it applies (same page as that indicated by vkmast. For those products, you get updates with new features that are issued every so often during the 1 year period. If you do not renew, you no longer receive any new features, but the program continues to work with whatever were the last updates/upgrades (so long as you actually updated/upgraded). Sometimes, a new version comes out during the 1 year period, and you can update to it, For example, I had Movie Edit Pro Premium 2018 and when 2019 came out it was just listed as an update, but it was a complete installation (2018 was automatically uninstalled). However, if you ever have to reinstall the program and you are outside of the Update Service period (you haven't paid after 1 year), what you get is whatever was available the day that you last paid, plus any bug patches. Also, if you don't pay after because you are not satisfied with the new features, you can wait until more features come out or a new version comes out and then upgrade for the same upgrade price, and you get 1 year from that new starting date of potential updates/upgrades. It's really nothing more than it used to be or what Vegas is now, except that you get an advance look and use of updates/upgrades. You can lock them in by paying once again after the one year period has expired.

The biggest drawback is doing an update, especially with a new intermediate features release, and finding that some things got broken. Rolling back is extremely difficult. Updating or rather migrating to a new version and having the previous one uninstalled is worse. You are now stuck with the bugs inherent in the new version.

The 365 version, which is available for Vegas and some other Magix products, is a real subscription. If you don't pay at the end of the contract, the program no longer works. During the 365 day contract, if there are any upgrades, you get them. The drawback is that the old version is replaced by the new version, as far as I know. Look at the details for the 365 day subscription and you will see that the first year is on sale for 140.04$ US, but the second year will cost 199.99$ US. Look at the comparison chart to see what you get for this. The benefit depends on how one uses Vegas. The current price of Vegas Pro is 299$ US, so if you aren't elligible for the upgrade price and had to pay 299$ to buy in, taking the 365 subscription would save you 159$. If you are eligible for the upgrade, then upgrading Vegas Pro currently costs 249$ US vs 140.04$ US for a new subscription, a savings of 110$.

However, with the subscription method, the clock is ticking. With the purchased version, you can afford to wait months or years before upgrading, and keep on using the program.

As for the initial question, I have never seen Magix announce new versions of any of its software in advance of the release. Occasionally, there have been answers by Magix on the forum (Magix.info) that indicate that a new release is coming, but that is rare, as are replies by Magix on the forum. For programs that come from Germany, Magix has often released the German version a month ahead of other languages, so monitoring the German forum would give a heads-up as to what was coming. Since Vegas comes from the USA, this does not apply.

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VidGuy069 wrote on 4/17/2019, 1:20 PM

MAGIX made an announcement at this years NAB sow in April about partnering with FX HOME. Coming out with something called VEGAS POST. POSSIBLE release Q# of this year, or next. Can't recall for certaib.

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Hope this helps.

vkmast wrote on 4/17/2019, 2:58 PM

@VidGuy069 "Q3 of 2019" according to the Magix Vegas press release (link here). The related forum thread here.