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vkmast wrote on 6/12/2019, 2:44 PM

Recently linked here.

fifonik wrote on 6/12/2019, 3:38 PM

Why do you need it? You was asked to share your new experience without these numbers that can force others to spend their savings! :)

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

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NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Grazie wrote on 6/12/2019, 4:08 PM

@vkmast - Thanks!

@fifonik - What are you implying?

Grazie

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fifonik wrote on 6/13/2019, 3:09 AM

That your new PC will render it in less then 8 seconds and someone also decide to buy one!

P.S. I'm kidding

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NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Grazie wrote on 6/13/2019, 3:39 AM

@fifonik - Ah, righto. Thanks for the explanation. Just to add some flesh onto my motivation to UG. My output has started to rely heavily on S/w plugs that “seize-up” and fall over on their latest incarnations with my arthritic kit. I do plenty of BETA testing and I can’t any longer rely on my rig NOT being the issue. So, for me it’s been a business and development decision funded from my lean and mean capital budget. It’s been a long time coming, but with the drop in kit prices and the demand-curve for more s/w plugs requiring more muscular processing, the Planets aligned. Again, this industry excites me and daily gets me going.

As to waiting and waiting, I was the geyser who held out for full HD and totally passed the HDV temptations and at that time with much envy.

Grazie

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Grazie wrote on 7/5/2019, 11:32 PM

What is in Region 5?

Preview: Framerate 100% EXCEPT for Region 5. Crash Test Dummie. I separated Media drive from Project Drive, Region 5 still not behaving

Render: I can't get/render through Region 5. What gives?

XDCAM EX HQ 1920x1080-60i, 35 Mbps Render(s)

Region 1 - 4

Region 6 - 7

So, these Regions Render at 98fps and 128fps. Happy with that, but why is VP16 chokiing on Region 5? What am I doing wrong?

Cheers.

 

Grazie

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Grazie wrote on 7/5/2019, 11:53 PM

Well, Deleting Region 5, yeah I know, cheating, I do get 16 seconds for the approx 50 seconds of Media. I'm happy with that, but this mix with Region 5, the AVCHD media makes my Rig choke. I'm now reviewing this AVCHD Media in a separate VEG, and I still can't make it play ball. Any suggestions?

Grazie

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GJeffrey wrote on 7/6/2019, 2:13 AM

@Grazie

 Any suggestions

Buy a new rig😉

Have you tried with GPU preview on/off? You may also try different gpu driver.

Grazie wrote on 7/6/2019, 2:32 AM

Buy a new rig😉

@GJeffrey - Nothing, printable, to say about that!

Have you tried with GPU preview on/off?

@GJeffrey - Really? Is that it?

You may also try different gpu driver.

@GJeffrey - Why, because of that Media? Nothing else, dear heart?

 

Grazie

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GJeffrey wrote on 7/6/2019, 2:52 AM

@Grazie that project plays smoothly on my 8 years old rig. Does it play well on your old PC?

It might be gpu related only. Vegas 16 not being optimized with 20 series Nvidia?

Grazie wrote on 7/6/2019, 3:00 AM

It’s only that Region 5. What’s in that Region 5 that’d make it choke? Otherwise VP16 runs as smooth as my ... bald head. Yes I’ll try my old rig, but that’s gotta an ancient nVidious Card.

Grazie

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PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

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JN_ wrote on 7/6/2019, 3:42 AM

@Grazie

Extract from my own recent post ... 

“I noticed that if I try to render the Red Car test using XDCAM EX HQ 1920x1080i 36mbps template (2nd. of the two recommended tests) that it hangs at the 51% mark.”

“This happens with VP 16 and 15, latest updates, tested on different PC's and laptops. It doesn’t happen with VP 13,”

There isn’t an issue rendering using the other non XDCAM template.

 

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pro-vegas-16-hangs-when-rendering-to-mpeg-2--116125/#ca721375

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Grazie wrote on 7/6/2019, 3:54 AM

@JN_ - How about Preview? My sticks just on Preview on that Region 5.

Grazie

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Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

JN_ wrote on 7/6/2019, 4:32 AM

I just tested preview at best full on my laptop, see specs. It plays at 29.97 from start to finish, all regions.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Grazie wrote on 7/6/2019, 4:55 AM

@JN_ - Thank you. I've been onto my Builders Support Team, where he did a Remote operation of my GPU and driver set, and he recognised I needed an a more Media Creation Driver for content creation driver and not a Gamer DRIVER. He also gave more Power to the nVidia. The Red Car Previewed five times without a hitch but the sixth time VP16 locked at Region 5 again.

Interesting . . .

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

Marco. wrote on 7/6/2019, 4:58 AM

There's nothing special in Region # 5. Chromakeyed PNG, slomo-ed and bump mapped AVCHD and a Generated Media color gradient, all with some dissolves.

If I set my preview quality to "Preview/Half" even my small 2,6 GHz notebook plays Region # 5 with full 29,97 fps. I also think there may be a graphic driver problem on your system.

Grazie wrote on 7/6/2019, 5:15 AM

There's nothing special in Region # 5. Chromakeyed PNG, slomo-ed and bump mapped AVCHD and a Generated Media color gradient, all with some dissolves.

@Marco. - Yes, I went through this myself too. It's only when reaching the combination of that AVCHD and the the others do I get grief. If I cut that chunk out, then no problem.

If I set my preview quality to "Preview/Half" even my small 2,6 GHz notebook plays Region # 5 with full 29,97 fps. I also think there may be a graphic driver problem on your system.

@Marco. - And you have GPU ON? Like you I can play all without a hitch on Preview Half and Preview Full. The next step-up was Preview > Good > FULL and that choked VP. Presently I can't do BEST > FULL.

The Engineer/Support saw that the CPU nor the GPU was getting above 6%.

 

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

Marco. wrote on 7/6/2019, 5:33 AM

Yes, GPU acceleration is on here.

If I use preview setting "Best/Full" the playback rate drops down to 16 - 20 fps when playing Region # 5. And GPU usage is 75 % (+/- 5 %).

But my system is lightyears away from your rocket machine. With the Intel HD Graphics 520 my system is even below the recommended minimum specs for VP16.

JN_ wrote on 7/6/2019, 5:34 AM

@Grazie

I meant to bring this up earlier re: your new PC and graphics drivers, you probably know all of this anyway.

There are new “Creator” drivers for Nvidia, slower update cycle, purportedly more stable, although not sure if they are even tested on Vegas before release, some other NLE'S definitely are tested on.

Your builders support team have just seen to that.

There is also a newer type of Intel graphics driver, relevant to your Intel on chip integrated gpu. This driver supersedes the older type. Its a little tricky, not really recommended to go back to the older one if you do upgrade to the newer one. Perhaps your system builders have done this already?

When I tested last year with my new build I was using the older type intel driver. My Qsv render times then were 15s with a very small OC. With the newer Intel drivers this changes to about 48s, no overclock.

So the new Intel driver type has a big hit on QSV render times. This doesn’t really bother me too much because, its probably more stable? and I use Nvenc for HW rendering because its better quality, as tested on my PC.

Just while on the subject of render times, all of mine were done using the Magix mainconcept, (matched to origional MC) not the XDCAM template. That club of 14s is a club of only one, @Bruceusa's as he previously mentioned it was done using XDCAM, not Mainconcept. The Rhino may have achieved similar but overclocked to 5/5.1?

My Nvidia nvenc render time with the newer Nvidia “Creator” driver is unchanged, 18s. Just check with your builders support if you have the newer type Intel drivers.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

j-v wrote on 7/6/2019, 5:39 AM

... and he recognised I needed an a more Media Creation Driver for content creation driver and not a Gamer DRIVER.

Are you sure?

Which driver do you use.?

My findings after long having trouble is that I needed this one, very good, stable and fast.

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diverG wrote on 7/6/2019, 5:40 AM

Region 5 played up on my machine. Rendering stopped around 40%.  Other render formats OK. Went back to an earlier nvidia driver in order to use XDCam.    Saw no difference in other render formats so no apparent advantage in later drivers.

Edit: 21 sec for full xdcam render.

My older machine was 2660K based and almost identical to yours and very reliable.  You will soon get used to the increased speed.

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Sys 1 Gig Z370-HD3, i7 8086K @ 5.0 Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb hd,  GTX 1060 6Gb Vegas 14 & 16 plus Edius 8WG Win 10 (1809) BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W)

Sys 2 Gig Z170-HD3, i7 6700K @ 3.8Ghz 16gb ram, 250gb SSD, 2x2Tb, hdd GTX 750ti,  Vegas 14 & 16 plus Edius 8WG Win 10 (1809) BMIP4k video out. (PS 650W)

Sys 3 Laptop 'Clevo' i7 6700K @ 3.0ghz, 16gb ram, 250gb SSd + 2Tb hdd,   nvidia 940 M graphics. VP14 & 15 via humble bundle. Plus Edius 8WG

 

Grazie wrote on 7/6/2019, 5:51 AM
Which driver do you use.?

My findings after long having trouble is that I needed this one, very good, stable and fast.

@j-v - Yeah, looks the same. I just got this from interrogating the nVidia System info:

 

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

j-v wrote on 7/6/2019, 6:10 AM

It is the new Studio driver.
And so it played the red car test with Nvidia choosen for the accelerated video in Options/Preferences/Video on laptop from signature

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Jan

Camera : Pan X900,GoPro Hero7 Hero Black
Desktop :AsRock Z270 Pro4, W10 , i7 7700K 4.2Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1050 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home, version 1903 build 18.362, CPU i7 7700HQ, 16 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).
Both Nvidia GPU's have driver version 430.86 Studio Drivers
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEMCELL DONOR !!!

Grazie wrote on 7/6/2019, 6:15 AM

@j-v - No Audio?

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge