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Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/30/2018, 3:50 PM

Some of you may not yet find HDR useful” .. Correct. Maybe it'l be more successful than 3D glasses and the tvs that came with them, maybe not, personally I dislike the hdr look. I'm not changing my non-hdr tv any time soon. Different strokes for different folks.

 

When reading statements like that, I always wonder if you have seen correct graded HDR on a HDR-TV really. My impression is that a lot of people have not seen that really, believe what they may have seen in some marketing events or weak YouTube videos only. Correct HDR can be hardly described, but one must see it with his own eyes. If that comes with Vegas Pro 16, as it was true for Edius 9 too, then this will be a huge improvement.

Former user wrote on 6/30/2018, 4:59 PM

“I always wonder”. Well, no harm in wondering what or where I may have seen the HDR. I can put your obvious curiosity to rest and assure you that it wasn’t weak youtube videos etc.

When reading statements like yours I do wonder if you only see the world through your own subjectivity, or have you considered the possibility that others may have contrary views to you, and the way you see things.

I personally dont like hdr, but thats just me.

karma17 wrote on 6/30/2018, 6:15 PM

It sounds like Magix is on track to release a new version each year and is under some pressure to keep adding new features, which is fine. But I hope they continue to aggressively address bugs and keep the software stable. I was working with V15 last night, the latest version, and it kept crashing on me, 5x on a short 5 min project. I attributed to having the New Blue Pro Titler up and running because I know Vegas can get buggy with certain plug-ins.

The only good thing is that the autosave was only 1-2 steps behind me and I could restart without losing too much. But to me stability is the key. One reason I still prefer Vegas to Premiere Pro is that PP was notorious for crashing on me. The very first time I applied a Red Giant plug in PP, the whole thing crashed hard. I just helped a guy last month edit a 2-hour slide show in V13 with 400-500 photos and all kinds of transition and audio and the program never crashed or froze up once. It was pretty awesome to see that kind of stability.

vkmast wrote on 7/1/2018, 3:57 AM

--- if you have a need for the second VP15 then its a compelling offer.

Did any of you that have VP15 now actually receive this offer?

Dexcon wrote on 7/1/2018, 4:03 AM

Yes. I have both VP14 and VP15. The offer pops up on opening VP14, but not on opening VP15.

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vkmast wrote on 7/1/2018, 4:14 AM

Thanks @Dexcon and sorry, but I should have asked if you've received the email with the extra info. I got the offer in some of the pop-ups in my various versions as well.

Dexcon wrote on 7/1/2018, 4:19 AM

@vkmast - re the offer by email … no, I haven't received the offer by email.

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Former user wrote on 7/1/2018, 5:51 AM

--- if you have a need for the second VP15 then its a compelling offer.

Did any of you that have VP15 now actually receive this offer?

@vkmast I received the email offer, but as I mentioned in a previous post. when out of curiosity I clicked to buy and went as far as “basket” there was only 1 item in the basket. There is the small possibility that one could proceed to payment and find you have no free licence but just an upgrade to VP15, its the same price. Magix should have 2 items in the basket. I currently have VP 14 and 15, but the offer page initally points to the edit version? Maybe because I have the VP15 by upgrading initially from purchasing the edit version?

ritsmer wrote on 7/1/2018, 6:08 AM

@vkmast .. and I own each and every version from 3 to 15 - but no mail received.

When I click Help, News in V15 - it says: "There are no news items to display this time".

No problem, however: I will buy the V16 upgrade when it is available. I always buy the upgrades because without income no company can develop updates and new versions.

Dexcon wrote on 7/1/2018, 6:20 AM

@Former user If previous Magix offers of 'buy the current version and get the next version free' are anything to go by, the serial number/licence for the next version is emailed shortly after the release of the new version. This is the way it worked when I took up Magix's offer of buy Sound Forge 11 (which I already owned) and get SF12 free on its release. The seral number for SF12 was emailed about a day after SF12's release. I did, however, make screen dumps of the offer and purchase screens during the purchase process … just in case.

Check out the process for the 2 VP types up from Edit … I think the offer applies to them as well.

For me, I'll be very cautious about taking this purchase route again as it ended up poorly for me with Sound Forge 11 and 12. Even though I got SF11 and SF12, what I wasn't aware of - as it wasn't promoted at the time - was that on SF12's release, SpectraLayers 5 was also released. There was an upgrade offer of both SF and SL that was considerably less expensive than taking the pre-release offer of SF11/12 and then having to upgrade to SL5 at its full upgrade price (about $USD100 difference all up).

Also, on the 2 versions of VP16 above Edit, there is currently no indication what the "extras" will be.

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fr0sty wrote on 7/1/2018, 6:35 AM

@JN_ that is how I feel. I know some people might still be on the 3D train, but TV set makers have abandoned it and no new sets will have 3D. As for editors with it, a lot of resources (meaning money) was spent on having the latest "buzzword" as a part of the e4diting software. HDR might have a future, but not now. Computer HDR monitors are extremely expensive too.

At this moment, and foreseeable future, HDR is not in the "books" yet for me. I'll wait for it to be more "mainstream" with a solid footing in the consumer world.... like when every TV will have dtvHDR as standard, and the cost of monitors drops to where 4K are right ynow.#

3DTVs always required glasses nobody wanted to wear and never fell below $500. You can buy a 50'' HDR set for $399 these days, it requires no glasses, and it is becoming harder and harder to find new sets that do not support HDR, which was never the case with 3D. Honestly, comparing HDR to 3D is apples to oranges. The "HDR look" is nothing more than more accurate color... there is no "look" to it, that is up to the person doing the color grading.

You all can resist it all you want, but the fact is it is becoming industry standard, so if you plan on making any money doing this for the next decade or so, you'd better get used to it.

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Cliff Etzel wrote on 7/1/2018, 7:04 AM

Nothing in my email or pop up screen... Running Vegas 15 Edit

Dexcon wrote on 7/1/2018, 7:13 AM

@fr0sty +1

3D TV was always a gimmick and was never going to work long-term (IMO of course). While it had some traction in the 1950s when cinema was trying to fend off the competition from television, watching 3D had, and still has, the requirement to sit in a fixed position (as in a cinema) for the length of the programme. How many people (especially millennials) do that today in front of their TV? A large percentage of TV viewers are 'second-screening' while watching TV - as I am right now. Not really possible while wearing 3D glasses, I think. I have a few sets of 3D glasses stowed away somewhere, but none of them have ever been used.

BTW, I have attended 3D cinemas twice in recent years to watch 3D movies, one of those being Alice in Wonderland, and the other being a movie I can't remember on a cruise ship, believe it or not. And very enjoyable in 3D they were at that. In my very young years, I also went to the cinema to see How the West was Won in Cinerama (another approach to compete with television). What do I remember of that: the rapids sequence, but mostly the horrible vertical overlap lines that made up the 2 borders between the 3 projectors.

HDR on the other hand, doesn't require a change in viewing habits - it doesn't require glasses or sitting in a fixed position. HDR is an evolution, not a revolution. The other day, I did a random search of the 4K UHD TVs available for sale on a large national retailer's website. All 4K UHD TVs I looked at had HDR, from the cheapest no-name TVs to expensive top brand TVs.

 

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EricLNZ wrote on 7/1/2018, 7:18 AM

What happened to curved TV screens? They were the latest sales gimmick a few years back. As for 3D maybe three times lucky if they try again in 20 years time!

Dexcon wrote on 7/1/2018, 7:36 AM

I'm still waiting for the long predicted hologram TV. Beam me up, Scotty!

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ritsmer wrote on 7/1/2018, 7:56 AM

What happened to curved TV screens? They were the latest sales gimmick a few years back. As for 3D maybe three times lucky if they try again in 20 years time!

Right now the main monitor in front of me is a Philips BDM4037UW 40" curved UHD.

Requires some familiarization - sure - and the colors could be better - but all that real estate is simply g r e a t.

vkmast wrote on 7/1/2018, 8:01 AM

Thanks guys. Now maybe back to the topic? ;)

Former user wrote on 7/1/2018, 8:27 AM

@Dexcon .. “Also, on the 2 versions of VP16 above Edit, there is currently no indication what the "extras" will be.” Very valid point also. Thanks for your tips on screen grabs.

Heres the thing, why does it have to be so difficult. I'm all for supporting Vegas going forward, we all know the benefit to a company of getting in early orders. Although i’m on the fence at the moment on an early purchase its made much harder with having to hope that it'll be ok on the day, maybe take screen grabs etc because Magix isn’t clear on egsactly what the items are when ordering. For example I have VP15 but when I click “Buy” the “Edit” version is automatically put into the basket.

Magix are currently selling the normal Vegas Pro updates for the same price as this special offer, so try arguing with support in September when they tell you that you only purchased the VP15 version and not the VP16 offer. If the prices were a little different then it would be clearer.

dream wrote on 7/1/2018, 8:43 AM

Well, its good that there is discussion about "VP16". Though, incorporating new "features", ala Ad**e, is not what I would expect. What I would like to see, is the progression of the Magix team, to provide further improvements and STABILITY over everything else. Reminds me of how the "computer DIY" industry kept trying to "adopt" all the "Gee-Whiz, Gotta-have, next Gen" features. So, now we have WAYYYY TOO much RGB, SATA Express that never got us anything (even though it was touted for the "professional"), USB 3.1 Gen 2 (yeah, couldn't just call it USB 3.2, thanks Marketing gurus!) that is on a lot of newer motherboards waiting for adoption by case manufacturers and hardly any devices to utilize that speed (at least Apple does utilize Thunderbolt).

I would much rather have awesome hardware acceleration support (which I see extensively asked for throughout the forum), stability and performance with actual file import and rendering (though, the camera manufacturers have to take a lot of the blame for this {file types especially}), ability to work on projects with sizes to support the future like 6K/8K and beyond (not stuck at 4096x4096). Oh, and probably put what actual minimum computer specifications should be (not generic like "Supports Intel Core i3 and higher..." "AMD equivalent" "supports latest NVidia and AMD...". You get the idea. We all see it, and constantly see the "frustration" from "new users". Not saying we need to go back to the old days of requiring some "Sun Microsystems" SPARC based 512bit processor and Gazillion-BYTE hard drives just to render One Minute of the newest Disney/Pixar animation picture.

So, me, personally, and it is only my "two-cents" on this, is go for stability, speed improvement with what we have, drop some of the "headache-prone extras", then look at adding "Gee-Whiz" features (still prefer to let Ad**e do that to really rile up their customer base!), and see if our great Magix Team can make even DaVinci Resolve look like it runs slower than molasses!

right word by word. the apple example is perfect.

i will be soo disappointed if there is no major change in vp16

vkmast wrote on 7/1/2018, 8:57 AM

@Former user did you try what you see if you proceed with VPro (not Edit) here?

Former user wrote on 7/1/2018, 10:17 AM

@vkmast Thanks. I found a similar one in UK pounds for £209. when I go through the Magix portal. Anyway, so I clicked through on your link far enough to get purchase details and still nothing to confirm at that stage that you are REALLY getting the VP16 licence, there is a mention of three licence keys but they are probably for VP15, i.e. VP15, DvdA etc. See screen crop.

vkmast wrote on 7/1/2018, 10:25 AM

@Former user it mentions 3 serial numbers, *probably* VP15, DVDA, and VP16. As you know Edit versions are just VP packages without DVDA. See product comparison.

Former user wrote on 7/1/2018, 10:33 AM

@Former user it mentions 3 serial numbers, *probably* VP15, DVDA, and VP16. As you know Edit versions are just VP packages without DVDA. See product comparison.

I do agree, my thoughts also. But you know, I think they could do better than my having to hope that it will be all “probably “ ok on the day. I’ll pass till end of August, as I said, imagine the headache of arguing it all out with Magix support if “probably” doesn’t work out😡.

At danger of repeating myself ... how difficult would it be to include a mention of VP16 licence in the above screenshot, really.

D7K wrote on 7/1/2018, 11:24 AM

I would like to see a media cataloger (along the line of LR) that allows you to create a real media library that is easy to work in. Yes I use LR now but just like PS really needed LR, I think Vegas needs something that is really tied to the program as a cataloger like LR is to PS.