A few clarifications

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 6:42 AM

I think that works quite well. The AC3 Pro encoder is not available any more what is an issue for some people.

But the other encoders like Sony AVC or Mainconcept AVC or mpeg2 encoder is still available.

And the integration of Soundforge works still as it was (with some issues sometimes but it works).

OldSmoke wrote on 9/24/2016, 6:52 AM

I think that works quite well.


Sorry, what works quite well?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:00 AM

To use Soundforge from Vegas 14, or render footage for the DVDA

SphinxRa40 wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:02 AM

I think that works quite well.


Sorry, what works quite well?

When i read wolfgang post i was asking myself the same question, even the plugins (besides boris) in the VP suite don't work...so what is working again quite well?

EDIT:

Same time posting :) well great...in VP13 to but with AC3-Pro 

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:07 AM

@Wolfgang S.

Your comments/defending for MAGIX makes no sense at all...

1. You really think MAGIX needs OUR money to continue development Vegas ? lol (there is also always a middle way)

2. Worth the price for you not for 90% of the other users

3. Please stop comparing an out-to-date program with a program that is up-to-date and worth it.

Stay at the facts that are now is going on with only VP, this is recent, those facts are the past or not relevant, that's the difference

@ SphinxRa40,

So you do not understand that going concern of a company is only possible if they earn money? That makes no sense at all? In what world are you at home? Do you know anything about business requirements?

And if it is not worth the money for you, then it is quite simple: do not purchase the new version. It is a free market!

And sorry my friend, it is up to me what I see as an comparison. Edius is another NLE that is up to date, it is a head on competitor of Vegas. And for sure I will not ask you wht are that facts that I see if you end up with stupid comments like ignoring economic realities.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:13 AM


So you do not understand that going concern of a company is only possible if they earn money?

I do understand it very well, I run my own company too. Alienating loyal customers by asking them to pay MORE for a single upgrade then new users is most certainly not the way to go. And yes, it is a free market and I have already decided NOT to upgrade or support MAGIX any further.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:21 AM

Wolfgang

For me it's not the cost of the upgrade but the fact that longtime and existing users of Vegas are treated worse than newcomers. Those that  bought VP13Pro+VP14Pro paid 199 and existing users of VP13 Pro pay 249? Note the "Pro" and not just Edit. How does that make any sense at all? Add to all that there is no AC-3 encoder, scripts are broken, DVDA aside from a name change is the same as DVDA 6 and GPU acceleration doesn't even work with older cards anymore. I am sure there are other issues to put on my list but that is sufficient for me to shake my head and say WTF.

True, the AC3 Pro encoder is gone (funny, I still have it here in Vegas Pro 13) and it is true that some of the scripts are broken. I still see the GPU acceleration for the timeline playback. For the render process it was never worthwile the effort (render time with and without GPU support were always very similar).

So I see a part of the points, but not all. But what have you expected by the development team, in the actual situation and in the time they had? A significant part of the development teams are the same guys that I know from contacts with SCS over the last years, so I think they have done what was possible in the actual situation.

Where are newcomers treated worser then existing Vegas users? See the reality: you can upgrade for $199 and so can newcomers do, simply by choosing the path about Vegas Pro Edit as it was mentioned here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/a-few-clarifications--103723/?page=2#ca639897

There is no difference between Edit and Pro in the Vegas really. If you do not need the DVDA since the DVDA 7 is the same as it was the last version, and I think this is true, and if you are not interested in goodies like Mercalli 4 or others, then this would be the simplest way.

And if you think that the features are not worthwile a new purchase, well that is up to everybody to decide that for him or her.

SphinxRa40 wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:28 AM

Not really/fully understand the first sentence (must be my poor English)

I will try anyway... MAGIX is not a small company and VP is not relying on the ripp-off from the old user base, off course every company needs an income and earn money, just don't take advance of the (old) customers.

Yip..agreed.. not worth (for me) it and did not purchased it, simple :)

Agreed to with your comparison, same goes for me, i look at prices, inside, up-to-date or not same like many others do and try to find out if it's worth it, and VP14 is just not it right now (again for me), that's all what i mented with VP14 now, who knows.. there gonna be plugins in the Suit that actually works...new GPU suppourt..etc..etc..etc. Then it would be worth it (again for me), So leave this thread be, everybody have their own opinion.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:29 AM

I do understand it very well, I run my own company too. Alienating loyal customers by asking them to pay MORE for a single upgrade then new users is most certainly not the way to go. And yes, it is a free market and I have already decided NOT to upgrade or support MAGIX any further.

You were not addressed with the comments of the other guy, rejecting simple economic requirements.

I still do not see where new customers pay less from the point of a todays decision making. $199 for everyone today.

And since you have done your decision even as loyal customer, fine. That is your right to do so and you said that now many times. But I am afraid that Magix will not change anything. Or do you expect that?

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:35 AM

Not really/fully understand the first sentence (must be my poor English)

Going concern means that a company continues its business activities. Typically you need money to do so, and that must come from the income paid by customers.

I will try anyway... MAGIX is not a small company and VP is not relying on the ripp-off from the old user base, off course every company needs an income and earn money, just don't take advance of the (old) customers.

You and I do not know if that is handled in such a way that they subsidise the new purchased products from other existing products. In the end of the day successfull companies will NOT do that but do it so: What Vegas costs should be earned by Vegas, in the long run. So a kind of profit center idea.

Yip..agreed.. not worth (for me) it and did not purchased it, simple :)

Agreed to with your comparison, same goes for me, i look at prices, inside, up-to-date or not same like many others do and try to find out if it's worth it, and VP14 is just not it right now (again for me), that's all what i mented with VP14 now, who knows.. there gonna be plugins in the Suit that actually works...new GPU suppourt..etc..etc..etc. Then it would be worth it (again for me), So leave this thread be, everybody have their own opinion.

Nobody takes you your opinion. If the actual offer does not fit you, then you will not purchase. Only your decision and that is absolut ok.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/24/2016, 7:40 AM

 

I still do not see where new customers pay less from the point of a todays decision making. $199 for everyone today.

199 is not for Pro version, it's only for Vegas Edit and that is my point. Newcomers that toke the VP13+14 upgrade route got it all. I already have VP13 and where told to wait and now I have to pay more?

 

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

vkmast wrote on 9/24/2016, 8:28 AM

OldSmoke, those are once again just the points they don't want to acknowlegde.

Kinvermark wrote on 9/24/2016, 8:33 AM

 

I still do not see where new customers pay less from the point of a todays decision making. $199 for everyone today.

199 is not for Pro version, it's only for Vegas Edit and that is my point. Newcomers that toke the VP13+14 upgrade route got it all. I already have VP13 and where told to wait and now I have to pay more?

 

Yes, someone made a serious marketing blunder. All the fuss could have been avoided by simply being clear with the offer back in the summer and saying "yes, take the offer now because there may not be a better one."  Instead MAGIX stated another offer was in the works for vegas 13 owners and told us to wait.

So, question is, can you forgive them the error?  I think I will upgrade as a sign of support  in the hope of better things and that they will learn from the mistake.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 8:35 AM

Sure, but my point is that no difference in the Editor at all, between the two offers "Vegas Pro 14" and "Vegas Pro 14 Edit". So if you are interested in the new version of the editor only, the cheapest way would be to purchase Vegas Pro 14 Edit alone. And this can be done for $199.

And I know that it was Eric who wrote that there will be another offer for VP13 license holder. And people understood that in the way that this would be cheaper. That is the source of frustration that it is now not cheaper compared to this this old welcome offer, it has the same price as now the Edit version.

It would be up to Magix to explain that. But I do not assume that they will explain their pricing strategy really.

ushere wrote on 9/24/2016, 8:37 AM

i'm certainly not paying for their mistakes - i've written before - bloody piss poor pr and marketing all round. if this is an example of how magix handles development as well i have no hope at all for vegas's future.

Len Kaufman wrote on 9/24/2016, 8:45 AM

Wolfgang....Sure, but my point is that no difference in the Editor at all, between the two offers "Vegas Pro 14" and "Vegas Pro 14 Edit".  If there is no difference at all, then why charge two different prices? It's quite clear that people that had not upgraded to VP 13 back when received a better deal than those that showed loyalty and did upgrade. It's not just the $50, but an indication of what Magix thinks of loyalty.

 

You will also note, there is a space on the offer for "coupon code." But when you plug in a coupon code (15% that Magix had issued for signing up on their site), you get a message that says, coupons are not accepted for this offer.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/24/2016, 8:53 AM

@Woflgang

Sure, but my point is that no difference in the Editor at all, between the two offers "Vegas Pro 14" and "Vegas Pro 14 Edit". So if you are interested in the new version of the editor only, the cheapest way would be to purchase Vegas Pro 14 Edit alone. And this can be done for $199.

You just don't get it. Again, 199 for VP13Pro + VP14Pro! As an owner of VP13Pro you are asking me to downgrade to "VP14Edit only" and pay the same or pay MORE for VP14Pro than those that went the earlier upgrade path? Your logic is just so far off!

 

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 8:56 AM

They charge different prices because the bundled addons are more in the Pro 14 version - that is quite clear. But that is up yo you if you need that.

If you wish to discuss the "indicator of what Magix thinks of loyalty" then this is an complete other discussion. At least for me. I discuss the technical aspects, because I cannot change Magixs attitude to loyalty of existing customers. Whatever this attitude is - because as you say: it is an indicator only.

Dexcon wrote on 9/24/2016, 9:00 AM

I can't wait ... not ... for the Magix's relaunches of SoundForge and SpectraLayers.  Thank heavens I have RX5 Adv.

vkmast wrote on 9/24/2016, 9:29 AM

They charge different prices because the bundled addons are more in the Pro 14 version

The earlier 13 + 14 offer were for Pro versions of both. I did not see any mention of Edit. Did you, Wolfgang?

Sedazin wrote on 9/24/2016, 9:36 AM

Of course not. No reason to bring the Edit version into discussion, Pro is not Edit. The anger is about the Pro version, the 13Pro+14Pro offer, the related post of a Magix employee regarding the question of V13Pro owners if they should jump on the 13Pro+14Pro offer or wait for an upgrade offer and the unexpected high price for the upgrade from V13Pro compared to the 13Pro+14Pro offer. This is what all the fuzz is about and Magix behavior so far led to bad feelings regarding V14Pro for most of the V13Pro owners ... because nobody expects an upgrade to be more expensive than the full version.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 10:05 AM

... because nobody expects an upgrade to be more expensive than the full version.

If you want to save money, you can do so by purchasing the Edit version. It is exactly the same editor inside both the Pro and the Edit version.

If you wish to run a discussion about to blame the price policy of Magix, then this is a complete different topic.

Right. That are two different points.

But what discussion is more helpful to users? Or do you belief that the prices will be changed? I do not think so.

BruceUSA wrote on 9/24/2016, 10:07 AM

Magix clearly screwed many loyal Vegas Pro users in this regards.  Even 6th grader can understand.  But Magix will never admit mistake. I am a Vegas Pro user and I jump on th 13+14. deal.  However many people were not and were told that there will be a special pricing for VP Pro users and now they are not getting that special pricing.  That is the problem when promised are not delivered.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/24/2016, 10:13 AM

I would really like to see the statement where someone has promissed that there will be a special pricing that is cheaper then the 13+14 deal. I have not seen that. It is only the perception based on the expectation that this SHOULD be so.

But please continue to complain. I think in the end of the day that is very true

But Magix will never admit mistake.

means that this will bring nothing at all.