Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 14 #122 - Bugs that need fixing

Dr Zen wrote on 5/16/2017, 3:24 AM

This thread is for reporting any existing/new bugs discovered in Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 14 Build version #122.

1. Keyboard shortcut "D" for cycling through Edit Modes in Timeline Toolbar, is not working correctly.
Pressing D continuously, is meant to cycle in a never ending loop through all Edit Modes, however it gets stuck on the Zoom Edit Tool and does not return back to Normal Edit Mode.

2. Active Take Information being displayed in Media Events on timeline, is very pale and difficult to read. If it could be darkened slightly, it would be more useful.

3. Active Buttons in the Toolbar and Controls at top of tabbed windows, are very difficult to see if they are actually turned ON or OFF. It looks like the developers did actually find a good solution for displaying active buttons clearly, but for some reason it was dropped from the final build version. Personally, I think the solution shown in image #1 should be implemented in the next build version. What does everyone else think?

Go to the Magix YouTube channel and watch one of their tutorials for VMSP14.
Here is a perfect example:
Here is a screen shot showing the toolbar that we did not get in final build release.
The thin black border and pale blue colour look great and clearly show which buttons/controls are active.

The final version we ended up with looks like this:

If anyone has more bugs to report, I will add them to this new list.

Regards
Derek

Comments

gary-rebholz wrote on 5/16/2017, 12:11 PM

Dr Zen,@ Thanks for these reports. #1 is something we didn't know about and I've entered it into our database. #2 is known and we hope to address it in a future update. #3 has been a matter of ongoing discussion both inside and outside of our group. Everyone should feel free to weigh in on that.

vkmast wrote on 5/16/2017, 12:30 PM

Thanks for the comments. Personally weighing in and very much supporting Derek's suggestion. The active buttons need to be displayed more clearly.

EricLNZ wrote on 5/16/2017, 6:27 PM

With Item 2 the Timeline Ruler is also difficult to see and needs to be lighter.

Nick Hope wrote on 5/16/2017, 11:07 PM

I'd like to see even more colour than that for the active buttons. I'd like to see more colour in general in the GUI's controls. My eyes detect colour much faster than shapes. Just please keep the overall background neutral so it doesn't skew color correction and grading decisions (unlike Magix Video Pro which is far from neutral).

Here's another example where more contrast is needed:

Dr Zen wrote on 5/17/2017, 12:55 AM

Dr Zen,@ Thanks for these reports. #1 is something we didn't know about and I've entered it into our database. #2 is known and we hope to address it in a future update. #3 has been a matter of ongoing discussion both inside and outside of our group. Everyone should feel free to weigh in on that.

Thank you very much for the informative reply Gary 👍

3POINT wrote on 5/17/2017, 5:39 AM

I prefer to have the actual eventlength reading, below the timeline back, like it was in earlier versions (screenshot VMS13). The readings now in VMS14 make no sense, cursor position (actual cursor position is also already shown above tracklist) OR start/end point selection (screenshot VMS14).

3POINT, Theo Houben, Vegasuser since version 5

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EricLNZ wrote on 5/17/2017, 5:45 AM

I agree 3POINT. This has reverted to how it was in MS12.

3POINT wrote on 5/17/2017, 6:22 AM

For VPro14 (the same readings as in VMS14) there is a least an extension to show the actual length of an event.

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Playware:Samsung Qled QE65Q6FN, Philips 55PFL7108

pioneer109 wrote on 5/17/2017, 6:50 AM

With Item 2 the Timeline Ruler is also difficult to see and needs to be lighter.

Eric could not agree more have to move nearer the screen to actually see these figures.

 

alderny wrote on 5/28/2017, 4:20 PM

I agree with Dr Zen's suggestion (item 3) concerning the appearance of the active buttons in the toolbar and controls at top of tabbed windows.

Please see my suggestions in this thread. I like the orange buttons best.

I know this has cropped up before, but why doesn't the timeline cursor stop at the end of the last clip on the timeline? Can we request a change? I'll start a new thread if need be.

EricLNZ wrote on 5/28/2017, 6:14 PM

I know this has cropped up before, but why doesn't the timeline cursor stop at the end of the last clip on the timeline? Can we request a change? I'll start a new thread if need be.

Please do. It's something that irritates me.

Brandigan wrote on 5/31/2017, 6:47 AM

Although the ability to disable/enable/smart Resampling is back in built 122, that's still not the whole functionality we had previously.

I don't want to go to Edit > Switches then check the radio buttons, when I have the muscle memory from previous versions of Right Click>Properties and setting them there. That is where I also check to see if I want to adjust the Playback and/or Undersample rate to a slightly better number in case I've got it set to something that might cause stutter when I initially CTRL-dragged the length.

I now still have to do that after I've gone into Edit > Switches, which is an extra unnecessary step.

Alternatively, if you go directly there (Right Click >Properties) to set the speed without CTRL-dragging first, you then have to go to EdIt >Switches to set Resample as you want it.

How hard is it to replace the radio buttons that were there previously? 😃


 

EricLNZ wrote on 5/31/2017, 6:54 AM

I agree. I used to adjust both resampling and playback rate in the Properties box as the only time I need to look at resampling is when I adjust the rate.

Nick Hope wrote on 5/31/2017, 11:33 AM

Resampling switches in the Video Event Properties dialog: The answer

anthony-chiappette wrote on 6/10/2017, 9:00 PM

Hi.

There is a bug, which was present in Version 13 and never fixed. I don't know if this was previously reported. Videos I create have 2 videos, from which I create P-I-P. I am filming my pinball playing using 2 cameras (same model) @ 35Mbps MP4 60p. I use the 2 soundtracks to create a more spatial soundtrack as the cameras are in 2 different positions.

I pan 1 soundtrack left, and 1 soundtrack right, based on how the cameras are placed. I then go into the track FX and disable the other channel for each audio event. Somewhere along the line, the master volume stops working and will not change the project volume. Whether I turn it all the way to the top, or all the way to the bottom, the sound stays at the same volume. However, it does output the correct volume level when a movie file is created.

The other night, I created a movie, spent close to an hour rendering, only to find that there was no sound, because I had turned the master volume all the way down, even thought there was full volume when playing from the timeline.

My workaround for now is to save and close the project, reopen it and adjust the volume correctly, then render the file. It would be nice if the master volume control worked correctly. Is this going to be fixed?

Nick Hope wrote on 6/10/2017, 10:03 PM

..It would be nice if the master volume control worked correctly. Is this going to be fixed?

I just played with this a bit in Movie Studio Platinum 14 build 122 and I don't have a problem.

You could try some different options in Preferences > Audio Device > Audio device type.

The best way to draw the developers' attention to problems and get them fixed is by submitting a support request at https://support2.magix.com/customer/en/vegas/form , including as much detailed information about the problem as you can. Don't expect a fast answer.

It seems to me that you don't need to both pan and disable channels to achieve what you want. Just one or the other should do it?

robbif2 wrote on 6/14/2017, 9:22 PM

In VMS 14 Suite (122) when attempting to animate a VEGAS Sharpen fx I can't change the Fade from the default Linear to Smooth. In fact, all the dropdown choices are greyed out.

I can override a Pan/Crop setting from the default Linear to Smooth.

I think this was asked for a previous version: Is there (or there should be) a preference setting to override the defaults of those two fx settings?

If I'm missing something, please be gentle!

Dr Zen wrote on 6/14/2017, 9:54 PM

In VMS 14 Suite (122) when attempting to animate a VEGAS Sharpen fx I can't change the Fade from the default Linear to Smooth.

You need to right-click the circles and not the diamonds - then you can change the keyframe settings.

robbif2 wrote on 6/14/2017, 10:23 PM

In VMS 14 Suite (122) when attempting to animate a VEGAS Sharpen fx I can't change the Fade from the default Linear to Smooth.

You need to right-click the circles and not the diamonds - then you can change the keyframe settings.

Thanks Derek. Earlier, I tried both circles and diamonds several times and neither worked.
I just rebooted and find that you're correct.

Now, how about requesting a preference to override the default? Reasonable request?

EricLNZ wrote on 6/14/2017, 10:53 PM

I don't think it's a matter of being a default. All FX that have more than one aspect which can be animated have a diamond with circles underneath. The diamond is like a header indicating an adjustment position. The circles indicate the aspects that actually have adjustment.

robbif2 wrote on 6/15/2017, 2:58 PM

I don't think it's a matter of being a default. All FX that have more than one aspect which can be animated have a diamond with circles underneath. The diamond is like a header indicating an adjustment position. The circles indicate the aspects that actually have adjustment.

I believe, for me, it is a matter of a default. I have been using VMS11 for several years, and 99.9% of the time I use animation on pan/crop and Sony sharpen (probably 20 times per video), and every time, I have to select the dropdowns and override the Linear with my preference - Smooth. A preference setting would decrease my workload.

robbif2 wrote on 6/16/2017, 3:30 PM

I hope I use the correct terminology, so please bear with me.

There is a different behavior in VMS 14 vs. VMS 11 and 13.

With VMS 11 and 13, when I place the normal edit tool (arrow) on the time ruler, a little hand appears and 
I can left-click and drag the entire timeline left or right. When I unclick, the cursor (vertical line sitting at the current time e.g. 00:02:30;15) remains at the same exact time.

With VMS 14 (122), when I place the normal edit tool in the time ruler, it does not change to a little hand.
When I left-click, I can again drag the entire timeline left or right. But when I unclick, the cursor jumps
to the new position of the edit tool (e.g. 00:04:22;05). 

After the drag, I don't want the cursor to jump to a new time position.

Is this a bug or a feature; should there be a "little hand" mode; and should there be a preference item to set different default modes?

6/17/17 I submitted a formal report via https://support2.magix.com/customer/en/vegas/form

6/21/17 In response to my official report, I received: "I'm seeing the hand when using the Movie Studio 14 Platinum software and not getting anything else your describing. Could you please provide screenshots of your 13 and 14 user interface?"

I responded...

I don't think there's a need for screenshots. I now see the differences between 11, 13, and 14.
I'm accustomed to years of the behavior of VMS 11, which I now see differs from a different,
but consistent, behavior of 13 and 14.

The most important mode for me is when I'm playing the video on the timeline.
(But the same thing applies to a paused video.)

VMS 11:
As soon as I place the edit tool (arrow) on the time ruler, it automatically changes to a hand.
When I left click and drag the hand left or right, the entire timeline shifts as expected,
with the cursor continuing to indicate the advancing current location.
When I release the mouse button, the playing continues with no interruption.

VMS 13 and 14:
As soon as I place the edit tool (arrow) on the time ruler, it remains an arrow.
When I left click, the edit tool changes to a hand.
When I drag the hand left or right, the entire timeline shifts as expected,
with the cursor continuing to indicate the advancing current location (same as VMS 11).
When I release the mouse button, the cursor, which has been indicating the current
position, jumps to the the new location of the hand and play continues from there.
I consider that an illogical interruption and can't understand the logic for it.
To me the behavior of VMS 11 makes more sense.
Maybe you can help me understand it.

6/23/17

-------tech----------
As stated before, Testing the software out, I'm not seeing any
difference in performance between any of them. Hovering the mouse
creates a hand and dragging the clip through the timeline and releasing
doesn't change the current location of the play head. 

I would like for you to provide screenshots of your 14 and 13 user
interface to see if there are any differences to what I have on my
system. 
--------me----------
I submitted this video.
--------tech----------
Thank you for the video, it provided a very clear picture of the issue.
I have brought this up to our dev team and it looks to be a case of the
software recognizing the click that happens, but not the holding and
dragging. 

I have submitted this as a bug to be addressed in a future update to the
software. 
---------me-----------
Terminology question just to be sure. Please bear with me: I'm trying to
understand between user documentation (if I have it correct) and your
terms.
I call the vertical line that moves forward as the video plays, "cursor"
and the arrow/hand the "edit tool". When you say "play head" do you mean
that vertical line? I'm pretty sure you do; but I just don't want to
make a mistake.

I still have an additional concern that I tried to explain before...

Very important - VMS 13 displays the same exact behavior as VMS 14!!!

Question - Does that mean it's a bug well before VMS 14 or a "feature"?

6/26/17 - Official response...I guess I was right...

It does look like we're talking about the same things, just using different terminology.

This is most likely an artifact of when we added the function of simply click in the timeline to move the cursor instead of having to drag it to the new point. This was implemented around 13, we simply didn't account the drag function into the equation, so that results in the bug you're seeing.

We only provided updates for the most recent versions of our software, so this will be addressed in Movie Studio 14 Platinum, but not 13.

Nick Hope wrote on 6/17/2017, 12:26 AM
...Is this a bug or a feature...

Looks like a bug to me!

robbif2 wrote on 6/24/2017, 12:08 PM

Re: My 6/16/2017 post on the cursor and edit tool dragging behavior, I've had several communication updates since then.
Please take a look and let me know if I'm on the right track (no pun intended...I guess I'm too slow!).
Thanks!

6/26/17 See my original post above for today's official response: It's been a bug since VMS 13 and only VMS 14 will be fixed.