PeterDuke wrote on 4/17/2014, 9:54 PM
I notice that we get a free copy of NewBlue PrimeTime Lower 3rds with the non-edit version, that may not be included with the plain Edit version.
PeterWright wrote on 4/17/2014, 11:15 PM
Thanks Jason - I hadn't checked those "Remove" boxes before, but this time the gatekeeper decided to let me through!
PeterWright wrote on 4/17/2014, 11:27 PM
Having had a play with V13 I'm a bit mystified by the way the new edit tools have been implemented as a dropdown, when there's plenty of room to have 'em all on show.

The tool I use most is Slip, and to use the new way means:

1. Click for drop-down
2. Select Slip tool
3. Perform Slip
4.Click for drop-down
5. Select Normal Edit tool

Previously, and I'm glad to see we can still do this, it was:

1. Hold Alt
2. Perform Slip
3. Release Alt

So, how is making a 3 step job into a 5 step one progress?
PeterDuke wrote on 4/18/2014, 12:21 AM
Has anyone else bought the new TitlerPro 3?

NewBlue products don't list it.

I get an error:
"Titler can't work due to low GPU capabilities"

What capabilities do I need?

Also I get
"Microsft Visual C++ Runtime
Assertion failed!"
with a link to read up some more on what failed asserts are all about.

Caveat emptor!
David Settlemoir wrote on 4/18/2014, 12:27 AM
I bought the Titler pro 3.0 upgrade. Played with it about an hour and didn't crash it once. Even messed with the prime time lower thirds a bit.

I did have a problem with. Eps import. Newblue support is looking at my file to see why objects are missing.

PeterDuke wrote on 4/18/2014, 12:33 AM
The Sony page says this with regard to Titler Pro 3:

"System Requirements
Works with all OpenFX enabled versions of Vegas Pro and Movie Studio software. Requires a hardware GPU (AMD or NVIDIA)"

I have a NVIDIA graphics card (9600GT, 512 MB).
Grazie wrote on 4/18/2014, 12:35 AM
So, how is making a 3 step job into a 5 step one progress?
I agree that the Drop Down is unnecessarily pedantic. I was going to suggest that this breakout to Icons needs to continue this process and HAVE Icons for those items.

SCS needs more feedback on this new feature. Go for it Peter!

I don't think we have seen the last of this move towards a better ergonometry, if that's a word?


set wrote on 4/18/2014, 12:47 AM
Only reading the progress here... (haven't install, in the middle of project)

+1 PeterWright & Grazie

A both input still needed....
BTW, I'm wondering if this can be put manually via Options>Customize Keyboard ?

Can't find this function in VP12 easily, as I need to press ALT + [key]

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Enerjex wrote on 4/18/2014, 12:48 AM
My only guess is the age and low power of the 9600gt may be the problem. Does it work well with gpu acceleration in vegas in general?
John_Cline wrote on 4/18/2014, 1:04 AM
Got the e-mail this afternoon and pulled the upgrade trigger, as I mentioned in another thread, I installed it, entered the serial number and registered it and it crashed immediately at launch with a CFHD.DLL unmanaged exception. CFHD is the Cineform codec, others have uninstalled it or renamed the DLL but Cineform is central to my workflow and uninstalling or disabling isn't really an option. I've notified SCS and Cineform and I trust they'll get it worked out soon. Anyway, I haven't gotten into Vegas 13 yet...

NOTE: I just heard from David Newman from Cineform and this issue is clearly not a Cineform problem. The codec hasn't changed in a long time and it works fine in Vegas 12 and everything else. (Well, except that Sony broke Cineform smart-rendering in Vegas 12, don't know if it got fixed in Vegas 13.)
Grazie wrote on 4/18/2014, 1:13 AM
Set: BTW, I'm wondering if this can be put manually via Options>Customize Keyboard ?Nah, just looked . . . .


Grazie wrote on 4/18/2014, 1:18 AM
OOPs! Yes - Shuffle Edit - it IS a Command. Mapped it to: Ctrl+T,S

My bad.


VideoFreq wrote on 4/18/2014, 3:21 AM
CO, what you should try to do is upgrade to 12. SVP 11 was a big issue with me and many others as it changed the program internals for GPU rendering which caused crashing on many systems since it required a change in video cards to newer CL languages in order to GPU rendering. When 12 came out it was more stable. If your system is fine then get 12 or 13. I see no reason to get 13 myself as I don't collaborate with iPod nerds. I already have some of the most sophisticated audio tools around and I already have the other tools that make up the suite. No 13 for me.
VideoFreq wrote on 4/18/2014, 3:41 AM
Grazie, I couldn't resist replying to your post. I also was glad that Vegas improved the workflow. Your comment was the first that addressed it. I also wish SCS would add more things that specifically augment a two monitor workflow such as:
1. Putting the scrollbar track controls that are on the right also on the left
2. The ability to scroll up and down using your thumbwheel
3. Ability to move the track start/stop function buttons anywhere on the bottom.
4. Ability to have the full track height on either right or left monitor and all other windows on the opposite side. You can do this manually but it makes SVP 11 & 12 unstable since none of the windows are docked. I also wish they would release Dolby Digital for web publishing and Blu-Ray. SCS doesn't seem to want to improve Pro, just make it flashier with new add-ons. I have so many now I will never use them all.
Grazie wrote on 4/18/2014, 3:49 AM
VF, what I would also like are Mouse Wheel controls over the FX and all those sub-Timelines, maybe even for Contour Shuttle Pro control too. It's really naff needing to Drag the sub-timeline cursor about.


VidMus wrote on 4/18/2014, 4:30 AM
Well, I downloaded the trial and all I can say is that so far, I am 0% impressed. As in not impressed at all.

The new HitFilm filters are trash that do absolutely nothing to help one improve their videos. More junk filters that clutter-up NLE's!!!

The archive thing is of little value.

Those new editing tools are whatever.

The scopes cannot be docked and I DO NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL! Maybe an option to dock or not dock? Maybe there is a way to dock it that I do not yet know of?

Rendering takes 30% longer but that is probably due to the overlay watermark thing that occasionally shows on the video.


Maybe I am in a grouchy mood and/or just tired but so far I see absolutely no reason to be excited about VP13 and no reason to upgrade.

vkmast wrote on 4/18/2014, 4:45 AM
>>>The scopes cannot be docked and I DO NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL! Maybe an option to dock or not dock? Maybe there is a way to dock it that I do not yet know of?<<<
Video scopes - "Hold Ctrl to dock window."
ushere wrote on 4/18/2014, 4:51 AM
@vidmus - well, having bought 13 (at discount) i have to agree with you - so far.

this does seem a completely lackluster release. spot on about more than enough plugins without adding even more (and that's probably money for old rope, ie, doesn't require any work on scs's part).

bit of playing around with gui, meh.

cloud - ha, dream on, that is, when we all get fast enough connections to make it worthwhile.

ipadding - big deal, what's that got to do with stability, robustness, useability?

and worst of all GPU is still a dogs dinner.

yes, i bought it cause $150 isn't going to break the bank and i think (or rather hope) that there will me MAJOR improvements under the bonnet that i haven't come across, or will be in future point releases - cause if there isn't that's it - i'll make do with whatever i have now rather than waste more money going nowhere.

it's beginning to feel like m$ word - lots of gimmicks and stuff, but underneath not much different than what was offered 5+ years ago...

please, please scs, prove me wrong.
trevorjharris wrote on 4/18/2014, 6:49 AM
I use Vegas for 3D so it is not worth upgrading. DVD Architect Pro 6.0 needs lots of bug fixes.
CJB wrote on 4/18/2014, 10:50 AM
I pulled the trigger on an upgrade from VP12 to VP Suite 13. I wanted the Suite for the Hitfilm product (and sound forge was nice). Seemed like a no brainer at the upgrade price of 299.

Only problem I noticed is I haven't been able to install the bundled Izotope Mastering and Repair Suite. It just won't install. Sony support pointed me to Izotope (which I doubt they'll help since it is a "partner" product.). I checked the forum for previous problems most had to do with the user not recognizing where to find the plugs. Not my case I can't find the installed files at all. (Problem Posted in Sound Forge forum).

Anybody else get this problem?
CJB wrote on 4/18/2014, 11:25 AM
Got that fixed.....Izotope installed VST dlls in an odd directory (by default - no custom option). Once I pointed Vegas and Sound Forge to it it was fine.

All up and working now. VP13 seems to work well for me. Further testing before uninstalling 12.
Tim Stannard wrote on 4/18/2014, 12:17 PM
"Maybe we should start live chatting with and asking for a special suite to suite upgrade. What do you think would be fair. I thinking $199. $149 for the vegas upgrade and then $50 for the SF 11 upgrade or is this to low."

$199 sounds about right to me (although I'm in the UK so it wouldn't be exactly that). However looked at on the basis of £149 for V + $50 for ths SF upgrade that would probably upset those who upgraded SF for $99 when it was offered as a discount price!.

I don''t particularly care about the SF update - there's nothing in it for me, but I'm a bit of a "completist" - having upgraded to suite once, I'd like the option to continue with the suite (and as I mentione dthere are other useful things like the production tracks)

But I will nag them as you suggest and see if we can get anywhere.
ForumAdmin wrote on 4/18/2014, 1:00 PM
For the Vegas Pro 12 Suite owners who would like to upgrade their Sound Forge Pro to version 11 we've just added an additional promotion:

Upgrade to Sound Forge Pro 11 for $99.95 ($100 off) AND get the 25 Production Music tracks free

You can get the Vegas Pro promotional pricing on that link too (in case you want to order both in a single transaction). Enjoy!

Offer ends with the Vegas Pro promotion - May 31, 2014.
Lovelight wrote on 4/18/2014, 1:03 PM
Seems like we all smell the same coffee. Intent and focus is gone while a finger is in every pie. Rearrange the pieces and call it new. Where is the real inspiration?