If you have never worked with Tabbed Timelines or multiple timelines (sequences) in one instance, then you won't understand how much more efficient than multiple instances and nesting works. After Effects, Final Cut Pro, Premiere all allow sequences. Makes a lot easier to work with segments of projects or have say a fixed introduction that you can use with other projects. and since this is a thread about suggestions, that is exactly what it is, a suggestion.

Exploring the tabbed timelines idea a little further....

I can simultaneously open a master veg with three nested veg files, and also open all three nested veg's for editing. I can edit one, then alt-tab back to the master and start a preview rendering, while I jump (alt-tab) back to another veg, and so on. This seems pretty similar to me to how premiere cs6 sequences worked, with one caveat: each instance is taking about 3gb of memory, so once I get up to 7 instances I am close to running out of memory space.

It is still more awkward to me than just using one running program and multiple sequences.

Also, regarding power windows, yes you can mask an effect, but the option is to mask ALL effects or none. I think "per effect" masking would be a nice addition.

@Former user

Give it a try, it really isn't that different (IMHO). Load them up, then ALT-TAB to switch between.

Oh, I have done it. You have to wait for it to release media and then acquire it in the other instance. You can't share media pools, it is much slower and steals from creative time. I much prefer the way After Effects handles it. Plus, as you said, one instance of a program does not take as much memory and CPU as several instances.

would it be of benefit to consider 10-Bit projects?

Currently we have 8-Bit (very fast, not good for colour correction) and 32-Bit floating point (very slow, very good for colour correction) to provide a middle ground 'speed vs detail' in a native timeline for 10-bit codecs?

Not sure of the internal technical differences, but yes, sounds good.

Also, with the apparent demise of Gopro studio, Magix should think ahead about how to support output to 10 bit intermediates in the future. Currently, cineform is the only lossless VFW codec that has 10 bit support in Vegas (AFAIK) - not including uncompressed or Sony YUV (too large).

...Fix bugs - I alway figure that these issues are more peoples poor choice in hardware than the DEVs. I am sure the devs work hard to produce a bug free product. Think about all the variables in today's cheap PC market...

While it's true that many issues reported on the forum are down to users' specific hardware/drivers/software/codecs etc., the issues on the known issues list are nearly all generic. They will affect all users, no matter what hardware/software they are running.

Fix bugs - I alway figure that these issues are more peoples poor choice in hardware than the DEVs. I am sure the devs work hard to produce a bug free product. Think about all the variables in today's cheap PC market. This is one of the main things the "Apple Guy" promotes, with apples limited hardware selection.

And is there a list of recommended hardware from Magix?

@Kinvermark What about XAVC Intra? When I bring files into TMPEG Mastering Works from Vegas it reads it as 10bit 4:2:2 video.

@Kinvermark What about XAVC Intra?...

It's not lossless. But then nor is Cineform.

@marc-s

Yes, XAVC intra may be just as good as cineform.

My bias is towards cineform simply because I have used it successfully for many years (starting with HDV footage). It is considered "visually" lossless not mathematically lossless. XAVC intra seems to be slightly more compressed (about one third of a cineform file's size) and doesn't seem to scrub as fluidly on my system (it's close though). Cineform is also available from many other pieces of software, whereas XAVC intra is not. I can get cineform intermediates out of resolve, footage studio, etc.

I would like to see a mathematically lossless, fast decode, intermediate format that supports 10 bit. e.g. MagicYUV. How to get different pieces of software to all use this intermediate format is another question :) So far, handbrake does, but probably only 8 bit (not sure.)

Main point is that I don't see the need for intermediates disappearing any time soon, so there needs to be a strategy.

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did anyone mention:

Smart Background Render?

I think Edius 9 will implement SBR to keep the machine busy & working in your favour in periods of inactivity / little load. This would be awesome, especially for clips that have a bit of FX on top of it, also, not having to re-render the hole clip just because you changed the transition on either end..(just imagine a 30' live show...)

did anyone mention:

Smart Background Render?

I think Edius 9 will implement SBR to keep the machine busy & working in your favour in periods of inactivity / little load. This would be awesome, especially for clips that have a bit of FX on top of it, also, not having to re-render the hole clip just because you changed the transition on either end..(just imagine a 30' live show...)

Not sure how that would work. What happens if just before rendering the whole project I decide to make a correction at the beginning of it, a part that was inactive maybe even for days? Or make a change that affects a whole track? That would make any background render useless and quite frankly a waist of energy. But you can open another instance of VP, set the priority to low, start rendering and go back and work on another project.

Also, XAVC-I does smart render, at least in SVP13. When I pre-render with XAVC-I and don't make any changes to that section, it will smart render, no re-compression thus saving time.

@OldSmoke, I was thinking: SBR to automatically 'replace' clips with rendered versions of themselves;If you added new FX for the whole track, of course there would be changes, but perhaps less change overall than if you had to change a total number of applied FX from scratch (ie save energy, rendering less, not to have to redo everything completely, start to finish). And if you shift clips around or change a transition, you might just have to re-render that transition without having to modify the entire affected clips from scratch

@OldSmoke, I was thinking: SBR to automatically 'replace' clips with rendered versions of themselves;If you added new FX for the whole track, of course there would be changes, but perhaps less change overall than if you had to change a total number of applied FX from scratch (ie save energy, rendering less, not to have to redo everything completely, start to finish). And if you shift clips around or change a transition, you might just have to re-render that transition without having to modify the entire affected clips from scratch

I personally see not much benefit in it. I do remember that Ulead MS needed any transition to be rendered even before playback and if you didn’t make any changes, that transition was smart rendered. Background render also uses more resources including electricity and you may end up rendering certain parts more than once increasing power consumption. I see it as a gimmick especially when XAVC-I does smart render already. Let’s see how that plays out in a real world scenario when such a feature is available.

this might be worthy another thread sometime, but I really don't want to clog up this lovely thread ;-) Let's just see how Edius 9 does it when it gets released in November

RED's IPP2 implementation, new Monstro sensor included, would be nice.

Arri raw?

Certainly "fix the bugs", and "stability" are number one importance for me.

As far as adding features - a better envelope editor or envelope editing view would be very useful.

The best I've used so far is the "Graph Editor" in Lightwave 3D. Although being able to activate a "sub track" that separates out all the envelopes for a track into individual tracks would help. Another alternative is that the "E" key that cycles through plugin automation envelopes cycles through ALL envelopes instead of just plugin automation (include pan, volume, AFX sends etc etc).

I would also LOVE to see something like a Project File Editor / cleanup tool. Something to edit a .veg file and cleanup up bus names, remove problem media / tracks, outside of the full Vegas Pro software.

I think having a good UX designer look over the bus system, AFX system, Track IO system including menus, submenus and tooltips would be a meaningful change for my workflows and use cases.

In addition to getting it to actually work for me (Long story) and stability, One feature I really miss is a visual cue of what assets are actually used on the timeline - Premiere Pro puts a small icon in the bottom right of each clip in the respective asset bin that is being used on the timeline - I know you can see a list view in Vegas 13 that shows what assets are being used - but that's an extra step for me each time without having a visual cue as to what the clip actually is - only it's file name (Useless for me)

One feature I really miss is a visual cue of what assets are actually used on the timeline

Right click the 1st event on the T/L and Select Events to End. Then RC the 1st event and Select in Project Media list. You should see the clips used on the T/L selected in the Project Media window.