Magix, will there be an upgrade offer?

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/28/2016, 2:30 PM

And most likely in the future upgrade path to VP15. Once you have gone the route of buying "VP14Pro Edit" now, you will certainly have to pay a higher upgrade again if you want to go to VP15Pro (back where where you came from).

Is there any indication for that? Please explain.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/28/2016, 2:34 PM

Is there any indication for that? Please explain.

The current behavior if Magix.

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Spectralis wrote on 9/28/2016, 11:06 PM

Is there any indication for that? Please explain.

The current behavior if Magix.

Agreed! I'd advise anyone with Vegas Pro 13 not to downgrade to the Vegas Pro 14 Edit version for the same reason that those who own the Suite version should not downgrade. It will probably cause no end of complications when the next version is released. I think it's irresponsible for anyone to claim that this doesn't make a difference because to upgrade to the higher version will probably cost a lot more next time.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/29/2016, 12:50 AM

All those new users who purchased an "upgrade" at $199 or $249 or $349.... Wouldn't it be funny if VP14 at some point produces a "Verification" pop-up window where they have to enter the serial number of their previous version 😜

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/29/2016, 6:56 AM

So we are talking again about beliefs. I think it is irresponsible to ask recommend someone to pay more money based on a belief that is based in a "perhaps" and "probably" at the best.

But everybody can decide that for himself.

vkmast wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:05 AM

As I see it, the poster was just recommending to compare apples to apples.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:07 AM

But everybody can decide that for himself.

Sure they can. Just pointing out the obvious.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:13 AM

Does the upgrade link here

https://support2.magix.com/customer/vegas/upgrade

differentiate in the prices between different types of serials?

OldSmoke wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:19 AM

Does the upgrade link here

https://support2.magix.com/customer/vegas/upgrade

differentiate in the prices between different types of serials?

Irrelevant. Since I can only upgrade from VP13PRO to VP14EDIT for same price as the eatlier offer. There is the downgrade.

And are you saying someone with Sony Vegas 13 Edit can upgrade to Vegas Pro14 at same cost as those that already own Sony Vegas Pro 13?

You still dont get it.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

vkmast wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:37 AM

OS, it seems that MAGIX have totally changed the SCS definition of "upgrade pricing".

I tested the "support2 upgrade" price using MS Platinum 13 and VPro 13 S/Ns to get a price for VPro 14. I got 249 USD. I got that price with even DVD A Pro 6 S/N.

Marco. wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:40 AM

At the moment you needn't any S/N at all to get that price.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:43 AM

I tested the "support2 upgrade" price using MS Platinum 13 and VPro 13 S/Ns to get a price for VPro 14. I got 249 USD. I got that price with even DVD A Pro 6 S/N.

Wow! So reagardless whether you have spent a lot or very little in the past, we are all treated the same? Wow! what kind of loyalty program is that? It shows again what kind of company Magix is and what it thinks about loyal users. 

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
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vkmast wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:48 AM

Marco., I understand that in principle you need to receive the offer. I admit it's being leaked all over the place, but not  yet received by all those that should be on the mailing list, but seemingly are not due to some of the database being probably corrupted.

The "standard" upgrade page does not proceed if you do not have a S/N.

@OS, someone said the existing users are de facto subsidizing others if they upgrade.

 

OldSmoke wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:51 AM

@OS, someone said the existing users are de facto subsidizing others.

That sure seems to be the case. Sorry, I am not up for that.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

Nick Hope wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:52 AM

I got that price with even DVD A Pro 6 S/N.

I managed it with a Cinescore 1.0 serial. Beat that! 😉

OldSmoke wrote on 9/29/2016, 7:59 AM

I managed it with a Cinescore 1.0 serial. Beat that! 😉

Wow! So someone could actually buy a bunch with foni numbers and sell it just below full price on eBay?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

vkmast wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:03 AM

OS, I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility :) Magix cashflow would not like that in the long OR short run.

There must be some Creative thinking behind all this logic.

Marco. wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:15 AM

"The "standard" upgrade page does not proceed if you do not have a S/N."

Yes, but the former website offer's still working.

vkmast wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:24 AM

Can you give me the link to "the former website offer". I have not been able to navigate to that on the website unless I used leaked info.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:37 AM

In MAGIX' defence for a moment, they haven't really had a chance to properly tie upgrades to verified serial numbers yet, because the SCS info hasn't been integrated into their system. So the best they could do to limit the offer to actual owners of previous versions was to send upgrade emails to people who had at some stage posted in the SCS Vegas Video forum, where members HAD to be verified owners (unlike this forum). So inevitably it results in no differentiation in price between existing owners and 1st time buyers, once the upgrade pages had been leaked.

But I suppose MAGIX are probably not too bothered by some erroneous "upgraders" (1st time buyers) in the short term, as it's all income.

As for the $199 for VP13+14 offer, that was just weird. It's like someone made a typo in the first digit. And I wouldn't be surprised if the person who advised existing owners to wait until September, did so in good faith that a cheaper introductory upgrade price would materialise, as had been the case with previous upgrades (albeit with another company), and was therefore "landed in it" somewhat when that didn't happen.

Having said that, the VP13+14 offer was never intended for 1st time buyers either.

All the above is speculation.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:44 AM

Can you give me the link to "the former website offer". I have not been able to navigate to that on the website unless I used leaked info.

I understand that http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/newsletter/special-offer/vegas-pro-14/ is pointed to by the emails from MAGIX and the Net Notify from Vegas.

Quitter wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:52 AM


Whow, DVDs are very expensive in the States!?

OldSmoke wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:53 AM

As for the $199 for VP13+14 offer, that was just weird. It's like someone made a typo in the first digit.

I think it was supposed to be VP13+VP14Edit.

Having said that, the VP13+14 offer was never intended for 1st time buyers either.

Who was it itended for? VP12 users?

But I suppose MAGIX are probably not too bothered by some erroneous "upgraders" (1st time buyers) in the short term, as it's all income.

But you lose the loyal ones. I mentioned it in an earlier thread, that now has been demoted from important to regular, I would be ok with 199 for the pro version since that was offered to everyone, intentionally or not.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

OldSmoke wrote on 9/29/2016, 8:55 AM


Whow, DVDs are very expensive in the States!?

But Vegas is "cheaper", 249EUR as of today is 279USD.

 

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor