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relaxvideo wrote on 11/19/2022, 2:47 AM

I think no need for uploading anything, 'cos i also OFTEN have the same issue with V19 b643.

Standard 1080p avchd videos from my SONY cameras (TD30, A5100, ZV E10). What could be wrong?...

I use Vegas since 4.0, and to me v11 was the best, most stable and bugfree version. From V12 the curious error comes: hang while delete an event with auto ripple enabled. That bug was exist until V19, so i bought this version because hoped everything will be fine: fast editing with gpu usage, fast editing with auto ripple on, etc. But now i face with freezing while simply like to shorten a jpg image file (!) on the timeline or have this horrible 1-2 sec lag while moving events on timeline, etc. After Vegas restart, lag disappear for a few 5-30 minutes.. My PC is perfect, every other seriuos app is fine, seems like Vegas has memory leak issue. I don't buy any upgrade until they fix it.

 

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walter-i. wrote on 11/19/2022, 4:02 AM

I think no need for uploading anything, 'cos.....

.......and how can you get serious information?

Thought experiment:
You go to the car repair shop and tell the mechanic about your problems with the car and describe it to him in the most flowery colors.
Don't you think it would be easier for him if he could inspect the car on the spot?

RogerS wrote on 11/19/2022, 4:36 AM

The symptoms may be similar but underlying causes different. Someone with a second generation Intel isn't going to have a happy experience with VP 18+. (I stayed on 12 with mine)

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Roger Bansemer wrote on 11/19/2022, 7:41 AM

I think no need for uploading anything, 'cos i also OFTEN have the same issue with V19 b643.

Standard 1080p avchd videos from my SONY cameras (TD30, A5100, ZV E10). What could be wrong?...

I use Vegas since 4.0, and to me v11 was the best, most stable and bugfree version. From V12 the curious error comes: hang while delete an event with auto ripple enabled. That bug was exist until V19, so i bought this version because hoped everything will be fine: fast editing with gpu usage, fast editing with auto ripple on, etc. But now i face with freezing while simply like to shorten a jpg image file (!) on the timeline or have this horrible 1-2 sec lag while moving events on timeline, etc. After Vegas restart, lag disappear for a few 5-30 minutes.. My PC is perfect, every other seriuos app is fine, seems like Vegas has memory leak issue. I don't buy any upgrade until they fix it.

 

 

Roger Bansemer wrote on 11/19/2022, 7:44 AM

That's exactly what happens with me. A couple second delay when moving an event on the timeline. Other functions lag the same way. Strange thing is it happens sometimes when I'm working on projects and not on other occasions. It really makes it impossible to edit when it does occur.

Roger Bansemer wrote on 11/19/2022, 7:48 AM

What Reyfox said.

It's unclear if you tried the setting change I mentioned (try everything on the file io tab related to decoding and see if it helps). Beyond that there's probably no setting to change this behavior which brings us back to media.

I'll give that a try. Thanks for the suggestion.

relaxvideo wrote on 11/20/2022, 1:04 AM

walter-i.

"and how can you get serious information?"

How? I use standard SONY cameras which was sold in millions quantity worldwide. Are you saying, you need exactly my file because my cam was recorded in "non friendly" format for Vegas? Come on. It's a standard video (compression, bitrate, etc), not a rendered file from a 3rd party app. In this case it's acceptable to ask for the file, and recommend another encoding parameters, etc.

Don't get me wrong, i'm happy to see that more and more people try to help him, but in this case the request for an original camera file is unnecessary. He is "using the same cameras as before several years ago". Are you think the file is wrong and we need to change our cameras? Or convert the files every time to a more editing friendly format? No way. Especially when with earlier Vegas version these problems wasn't exist.

Sorry, your car repair shop example is a completely different story, not comparable..

RogerS:

yes, i still use i7-2600, but freezing while i like to trim a jpg image on the timeline is a joke.
Also, on my daughter's Ryzen 5-1600 system we see exactly the same issues..

I'm with Roger Bansemer and feel like i'm a beta tester for Magix (which would be still ok, if the app would be free..)

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walter-i. wrote on 11/20/2022, 2:52 AM
Don't get me wrong, i'm happy to see that more and more people try to help him, but in this case the request for an original camera file is unnecessary. He is "using the same cameras as before several years ago". Are you think the file is wrong and we need to change our cameras? Or convert the files every time to a more editing friendly format? No way. Especially when with earlier Vegas version these problems wasn't exist.

@relaxvideo
Please also understand that you are in a user forum, where information and help is exchanged from user to user. We are all not developers, and do not have the same level of knowledge as they do, and everyone here usually only has the level of knowledge of media files that they themselves and the cameras they use generate.
We try to help partly with angel patience.
With the same angel patience as information is NOT provided in this thread.
I will not bother you any further.
Good luck.

Addendum:
There is also Vegas support - but they usually ask for the same information there.

relaxvideo wrote on 11/20/2022, 2:58 AM

Ok, thanks for your answer.
I wait for the solution - which will be a bugfree Vegas version :)

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RogerS wrote on 11/20/2022, 3:59 AM

If you want a bugfree Vegas version help those of us who offer to replicate your issue by providing critical information. Without that expect to keep waiting.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

relaxvideo wrote on 11/20/2022, 4:02 AM

Press REC button on a Sony cam and voila, you will have such files :)

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Reyfox wrote on 11/20/2022, 6:18 AM

The problem for me is I don't have a Sony anything to test. And I am curious as to how it will perform on my computer using Vegas to edit. But if this isn't going to go further...

As for bug free anything, even the OS you are using isn't bug free yet you use it.

I have zero, and I mean zero issues editing jpg images on my computer.

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RogerS wrote on 11/20/2022, 6:39 AM

I have multiple Sony cameras and they shoot quite different formats. Decoding in Vegas is another factor- I have two different GPUs that can both be set to do decoding. Then there's different generations of hardware.

What's the commonality with the problems? Figure that out and we'll be able to help the developers address the bugs. Multiple users of this forum are actually Vegas beta testers and capable of working with developers to solve issues raised here.

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Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

relaxvideo wrote on 11/20/2022, 6:41 AM

"I am curious as to how it will perform on my computer using Vegas to edit. "

That's a new reason for request and acceptable, but wont solve op's problem

Don't have a Sony cam? Just google search for a native avchd camera file.

Of course nothing is bugfree, question is how important is the function which is buggy.
For a video editor, not responding in every 5-10 or 20 minutes in a many hour's or day's work
is just not acceptable.

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jetdv wrote on 11/20/2022, 6:46 AM

@relaxvideo, you seem to be getting defensive because people are asking for information and help to try to duplicate your issues. Like others have said, I don't have a "Sony camera" so I can't:

Press REC button on a Sony cam and voila, you will have such files :)

Therefore, it is up to YOU to provide such files that are causing you problems for others to test with.

And there isn't a "bug free" version of ANY program out there! But VEGAS is getting much closer with each subsequent version. And would be closer still if you would provide the necessary information to duplicate your problems.

Personally, with the latest build of VEGAS Pro 20, I'm back to forgetting to save until it suddenly hits me I haven't in quite some time! In fact, some times I've finished my edit and the realized I had never saved.

Reyfox wrote on 11/20/2022, 8:08 AM

"I am curious as to how it will perform on my computer using Vegas to edit. "

That's a new reason for request and acceptable, but wont solve op's problem

Don't have a Sony cam? Just google search for a native avchd camera file.

Of course nothing is bugfree, question is how important is the function which is buggy.
For a video editor, not responding in every 5-10 or 20 minutes in a many hour's or day's work
is just not acceptable.

I will leave you with your crystal ball knowing what will and will not help.

This has not been constructive at all. I've rarely seen people who are asking for help, refuse it at all costs. Not until I came here.

 

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relaxvideo wrote on 11/20/2022, 9:02 AM

Sorry guys if you think i'm defensive. I'm not. In fact i just fatigue,
because almost every similar post since years start to request the file from the op,
while i'm certain that it's simply a bug in Vegas and not a standard camcorder file is bad.
Please link me a topic, where the solution was using another camera file, op changed and
the problem was gone forever.

Excuse me again.

 

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Roger Bansemer wrote on 11/20/2022, 9:25 AM

Here's a short raw clip from a project. I have to say that this lag thing happens sometimes when I edit to the point I can't edit any more and other times it doesn't. It's spuratic. Not a very good clip but short enough so I could upload it.

vkmast wrote on 11/20/2022, 10:08 AM

@Roger Bansemer please note that you were asked to "upload a piece of a media file that is causing problems to Dropbox or some other file sharing [site] and post the link in here" "since the Magix site re-encodes the file".

relaxvideo wrote on 11/20/2022, 2:37 PM

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jetdv wrote on 11/20/2022, 4:31 PM

If you would post the file, others could test with it. It may be a matter of changing some settings to make it work. It may be the file does the same on other systems and that could be reported. It could be something specific on your system that testing on other systems could help determine. But, as vkmast said, it must be the ORIGINAL file - not an upload to this site or youtube. It has to be a file sharing site or your own website where others can see the original file.

RogerS wrote on 11/21/2022, 4:59 AM

Sorry guys if you think i'm defensive. I'm not. In fact i just fatigue,
because almost every similar post since years start to request the file from the op,
while i'm certain that it's simply a bug in Vegas and not a standard camcorder file is bad.
Please link me a topic, where the solution was using another camera file, op changed and
the problem was gone forever.

Excuse me again.

I've personally helped solve multiple bugs in Vegas by testing files and settings with users on this forum and reporting what we find here and others have done way more than I.

Nobody is blaming the user for Vegas not working right, but if you want to take an active approach to solving it, it is critical to provide information to help replicate and isolate the issue as much as possible.

There are certainly cameras where one setting of settings will work in Vegas and others will not- we saw that with Canons not too far back with NVDEC and All-I if I recall, though I think that issue got fixed in VP 19.
There are other situations where re-encoding the file using with a program like Shutter Encoder solved the issue as a workaround, though this is mainly needed for phones and capture software that produces non-optimal media for editing.

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Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Roger Bansemer wrote on 11/21/2022, 7:30 AM

If you would like to have a sample of my video files, here are two samples. I'll leave them on my FTP site for a couple of days before I take them down to save space. They are clips from quite a while ago and you can retrieve them at: www.bansemer.com/pickup

andyrpsmith wrote on 11/21/2022, 7:44 AM

Roger, down loaded your two clips and imported into V20- 214, with no issue. Added to timeline with no issue and can drag both clips back and forth with no lag or crash. I will try some editing and come back with how they perform. My two key hardware items are 3rd Gen Intel i5 CPU and Nvidia 1080Ti GPU.

(Intel 3rd gen i5@4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, 1080Ti GPU, Windows 10) Not now used with Vegas.

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