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Jeff-Rolando wrote on 4/9/2020, 3:27 AM

Hi john_dennis

When I choose “Custom Settings” in “Render as” it won’t let me OK them. (In the screenshot you sent me, OK is visible at the bottom.) It won’t let me scroll down, I am only allowed to drag up as far as “chroma subsampling” I can’t tab through, and I can’t grab the corners to make it smaller. I can’t OK the custom settings, and of course if I close, they go away.Even if I make the main program screen smaller, the “Custom Settings” are still full sized, and I can’t access the OK button.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 4/9/2020, 8:32 AM

@Jeff-Rolando you must have your display set to a low resolution or high magnification. The Vegas customize template menu does not have a scroll bar and about the lowest resolution @ 100% on my system that'll allow it to fit and display at least a part of the OK button is 1024x768. If you are set to a higher res than that and the menu still doesn't fit, your display scaling in Windows may be greater than 100%. You can adjust both in Win10 by right-clicking on the desktop and choosing Display Settings. Choose the highest res your display supports and magnify above 100% only if menu text is too small to see. Unfortunately some text in Vegas is small in some places so you may have to compromise a bit there.

vkmast wrote on 4/9/2020, 9:10 AM

Re the OK button, see also here.

rraud wrote on 4/9/2020, 10:01 AM

Having a PC's display DPI setting significantly above the 'recommended' (in my case 125%), can hide some of the parameter settings in some windows. Changing the "High DPI scaling" setting helps in some cases. There are also settings in "Options> Preferences> Display " and in Vegas <.exe> file (or shortcut ) "Properties> Compatibility"

Jeff-Rolando wrote on 4/9/2020, 11:11 AM

Hi Howard-Vigorita,

Thanks for the reply.

When I went to Display resolution, I found it to be at 1920X1080 (recommended.) That was at the top of the list. The next two options on the list are 1680X1050 and 1600X900, and there are several others.  Do you know which would be best, or is it just trial and error? Under “change the size of text, apps and other items” I found it to be at 150%(recommended.) Is that the one you suggest changing? The options are 100%, 125% and 175%. Do you know which would be best, or is it just trial and error too? Thanks.

vkmast wrote on 4/9/2020, 11:26 AM

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/does-anyone-know-how-to-fix-this-issue--113466/#ca701318

Jeff-Rolando wrote on 4/9/2020, 11:47 AM

Hi rraud,

I don’t know where to find "Options> Preferences> Display " Is it the same as Windows/ Settings/Display? If so, when I went to Display resolution, I found it to be at 1920X1080 (recommended.) That was at the top of the list. The next two options on the list are 1680X1050 and 1600X900, and there are several others.  Do you know which would be best, or is it just trial and error? Under “change the size of text, apps and other items” I found it to be at 150%(recommended.) Is that the one you suggest changing? The options are 100%, 125% and 175%. Do you know which would be best, or is it just trial and error too? Thanks.

john_dennis wrote on 4/9/2020, 12:28 PM

Set it to 1920x1080 100%

rraud wrote on 4/9/2020, 1:16 PM

My laptop has a max resolution for 2160 (x 3840) display but I have it set to 1080, with the DPI set to 175% to make things larger for my less-than-perfect eyes. Unfortunately some parameters in the customizing render presets are hidden off-screen (and cannot be scrolled or dragged) so I must temporarily reset the DPI to the 'recommended' factor to access these parameters. As the screen grab shows for the Magix AVC MP4 format , everything below the "number of slices parameter cannot be accessed. Annoying? Fo'sure!

Turd wrote on 4/9/2020, 1:20 PM

I don't have an answer for you yet, but I might be able to cut some of the tension I feel is building here.

To me, some of the frustration seems to stem from not knowing where the bottleneck is. The short answer to your question is, no, under normal circumstances, a 3-6 hour upload to YouTube for a 17 minute video is quite unusual. What we don't know is what exactly is not "normal" with your situation. It's either the file you rendered or it has something to do with your internet upload speed or it has something to do with YouTube.

Coincidently I uploaded a 1080p 17 minute file to YouTube just Monday morning. I didn't put a stopwatch on it, but I estimate the upload time at 15 or 20 minutes. I keep forgetting to use @Musicvid's suggestion to make YouTube's processing begin immediately, but that's not a big deal to me. The file was ready for full quality playback on YouTube in less than an hour. The point I'm making in this paragraph is that I believe the problem does not lie with YouTube.

It appears the file you made, resolution change notwithstanding, is also not the issue because it's only the file size that really does matter for uploads. Your file size is fine, and evidently didn't cause the slow down.

My teeny-tiny brain tells me the most likely culprit here is your internet speed. That's what we know the least about in this scenario. Are you using a cell phone hot-spot on a plan that's past it's limit? Are you on a dial-up connection? Does your ISP provide very limited upload bandwidth?

I think we've been going around this the wrong way and we have the fewest details on what's most likely causing the problem you're having. I think looking at your upload speed is the right starting point.

One last thing I think we need to clear up: Where EXACTLY do you see the slow-down? Is it your render time? Is it the time to upload to YouTube? Is it the processing time on the file once it reaches YouTube? I'm assuming you're talking about your upload time to YouTube, but I don't want to assume.

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Jeff-Rolando wrote on 4/9/2020, 2:06 PM

Hi Mr. Turd

Thanks for your attention to this question. It is interesting that the resolution discrepancy pointed out to me in a couple replies is “not the issue because it's only the file size that really does matter for uploads.” Thanks for clarifying that.

I agree that internet speed cannot (and has been) overlooked, so thanks for asking.

I have AT and T  INTERNET 18 which claims to give me 18Mbps which they say is good for HD video streaming, sharing videos and photos, and online gaming. (They now offer 25, 50, 100 and possibly even 940Mbps for the same price, so I will investigate that.) The slowdown was upload time. Render time was about 40 minutes, and the upload time was about 6 hours. I don’t remember processing taking time, that I was aware of. So, do you think 18Mbps internet speed is the main problem? Thanks, Jeff

PS This morning I rendered a 4-minute video in about 10 minutes, and uploaded it to youtube in about 30 minutes, after changing the resolution (which I now understand was not relevant in  your opinion) I think it defaulted to Enable Progressive Download, so that may or may not have been a problem with the video in question.

michael-harrison wrote on 4/9/2020, 2:27 PM

@Jeff-Rolando I'm coming into this late, but your download speed isn't the issue and never will be when uploading anywhere.

What upload speed do you see when running this test? http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest

 

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Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
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Turd wrote on 4/9/2020, 2:29 PM

@Jeff-Rolando

Progressive rendering does not affect upload time. It affects the time Youtube takes to process the file to full quality once it gets there. That's why I wanted to know exactly where you see your time issue.

As far as your internet connection goes, ISPs tend to only mention download speeds because that's what's usually most important to most users so they can watch their Netfixes and their cat videos without buffering. Download speeds for most households are MUCH more impressive than their upload speeds. The two are completely separate. Upload speeds for most households are generally not impressive, so ISPs tend to make that number a bit more difficult to know. It's your upload speed that's most likely killing you -- not the download speed AT&T is telling you you have.

Now -- why did you have such a problem uploading your 17 minute video? I think we need to establish if the issue was momentary and you just happened to have caught it at the wrong time due to internet traffic at the moment or perhaps it was an AT&T equipment issue. The problem you had could also be that your AT&T upload bandwidth (speed, for this purpose) is less than you need it to be all the time.

The first thing I would do is recycle the power on all your network routers and switches. It wouldn't hurt to be sure your computer gets a fresh reboot, either. Then perform an internet speed test or two. You can find many of them using the Google machine. Go to a couple sites that offer a free speed test and compare numbers. You'll see download and upload speed numbers. The caveat to using an internet speed test is that ISPs have become smart about them and often automatically give you a speed bump when they detect you're using a speed defining service to make you think you're getting more than you get during normal usage, but at least you'll have an idea about what's going on.

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Turd wrote on 4/9/2020, 2:46 PM

Something else I want to mention -- everyone who responded about resolutions is absolutely correct about best practices for rendering video files.

I'm just saying matching input and output resolution for a file upload to YouTube doesn't matter when it comes to the time it takes that file to upload.

By all means, follow everyone's resolution advice for the best looking video possible and for the quickest render time!

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Turd wrote on 4/9/2020, 2:57 PM

@j-v I understand what you're saying -- and I completely agree. Reading further into his post it appeared to me he was asking the wrong question to solve his problem. I'm used to people doing that at my job site, so my natural reaction is to look for the root of the question and find a solution there rather than answering a question that doesn't solve the problem. It's just the way I saw it.

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j-v wrote on 4/9/2020, 3:21 PM

@Turd
At the moment I placed that reaction I saw your post of 9.46 and deleted mine immediatly because you wrote the same in that post.

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Jeff-Rolando wrote on 4/9/2020, 10:41 PM

Thanks michael-harrison, Thanks Mr. Turd, and everyone else,

I’m not sure I want to agree to “add to chrome.,” like the DSL site requires.

Maybe I could spend a couple more hours looking for a speed test that doesn’t require that. And then what? If it’s so crucial, why doesn’t Vegas add it to the program?

Is the AT and T 18Mbps internet plan a problem that could explain or partly explain a six hour upload time on a 17 minute video?

I just paid 300 bucks for a program that probably has over a thousand features I’ll never use. I want to cut off the beginning and cut off the end and put it on Youtube. That’s it.

Unbelievable how much time I have spent trying to figure out how to use a complex program for a simple task.

Just one question;

Is the AT and T 18Mbps internet plan so inferior that it could explain or partly explain a six hour upload time on a 17 minute video? I don’t know. Do you?

3POINT wrote on 4/9/2020, 11:54 PM

I just paid 300 bucks for a program that probably has over a thousand features I’ll never use. I want to cut off the beginning and cut off the end and put it on Youtube. That’s it.

Unbelievable how much time I have spent trying to figure out how to use a complex program for a simple task.

Why did you buy a pro editing programme when not being a pro editor? For beginning editors there's a simple version of VegasPro, called VegasMovieStudio. Creating a YouTube upload is a simple mouse click in VegasMovieStudio also it's price is far less than 300 bucks.

Jeff-Rolando wrote on 4/10/2020, 12:18 AM

Thanks 3Point,

You are right, Apparently it costs about 60 bucks. I didn’t know. I don’t remember their site offering me the option of VegasMovieStudio. They gave me a free trial, and when it wouldn’t allow me to save a file, I paid them for it. All I remember is that they offered a much more expensive program for about 700 bucks that would make CDs or something. Maybe I’ll reply to their confirmation email and see if they’ll refund me and sell me the VegasMovieStudio. Thanks.

michael-harrison wrote on 4/10/2020, 1:58 AM

@Jeff-Buhrer your 18Mbps connection speed has no, none, zero relationship with how fast your videos will upload to youtube or any other service.

The speeds given by ISPs are *download* speeds.

Your upload speed is an independent value that's usually in the 2-10Mbps range depending on the plan.

try this test to see what kind of upload speeds you're getting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=internet+speed+test

Also the *length* of a video has very little relationship to the time a video will take to upload. I can produce a 30min video that will upload in probably less than a minute if I render it at 360x240 or will take hours if I render it at 4k resolution with high bit rate settings for max quality.

Upload time is primarily a function of file size. Upload to youtube is also affected by file type and other factors that have been covered previously but most of the other factors than file size will cause you to have longer post-upload processing times rather than long upload times.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

frmax wrote on 4/10/2020, 6:53 AM

Strange discussion.
With an upload of 1.77GB in 6 hours, this corresponds to about 0.7 to 0.8 Mb/s upload speed of your provider (if you include a certain overhang of 10-15%).

File size and upload speed determine the time of your upload. (Besides conversions from Youtube itself)

The file size (for the same video length) is mainly determined by the codec and the resolution.
Vegas can and does this according to your ideas, just like other cheaper programs.

The upload speed is set by your internet provider, this is not a fault of Vegas.

So to solve your problem you have to change your internet plan, as already mentioned several times.You should pay less attention to the download times, but more to the upload speed. 

Vegas is a complex video editor, if you only want to upload unedited or little modified videos, free NLE like shotcut or even the good old Moviemaker are enough and you would have made an expensive bad buy.

My suggestion: Search and use the tutorials and guides for Vegas and get to know the various possibilities for creating videos. Maybe this will result in a nice hobby after all, you don't always have to be a professional who makes his money with it. Then your purchase would be a success in the end.
All the best,
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vkmast wrote on 4/10/2020, 7:20 AM

Maybe I’ll reply to their confirmation email and see if they’ll refund me and sell me the VegasMovieStudio.

Probably a good idea (at least the platinum version) whoever "they" are.

Jeff-Rolando wrote on 4/10/2020, 7:53 AM

Hi Vkmast, They is MAGIX, I bought it from MAGIX

 

vkmast wrote on 4/10/2020, 8:05 AM

@Jeff-Rolando OK. Do check your order confirmation email for advice.