VEGAS preview slow and not responding.

matthew-c wrote on 9/1/2019, 11:20 PM

My Vegas preview slows down and stop responding when I am editing videos with gameplay and commentary is separate tracks. It slows down when I am clicking around and cutting clips as normal, and if I go too fast it will crash. The preview also has a slight delay when I try to playback. I know my computer is good enough and I have recently updated everything and removed all corrupted files from it. If it helps I use "OBS" software to record and Vegas pro 16.0 to edit.

This DOESN'T happen when I record gameplay without commentary and its just and mp4 file. (I also have two-track recording that separates my microphone and gameplay audio, and that is when the glitching happens.)

MediaInfo

General
Complete name                            : D:\VIDEOS\2019-09-01 15-40-15.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 23.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 h 1 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 27.9 Mb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf57.84.100

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 2 h 1 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 27.6 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 40.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.222
Stream size                              : 23.5 GiB (99%)
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 2 h 1 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 160 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 140 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : Track3
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 2 h 1 min
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 160 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 140 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : Track4
Default                                  : No
Alternate group                          : 1

VEGAS properties

General
  Name: 2019-09-01 15-40-15.mp4
  Folder: D:\VIDEOS
  Type: AVC
  Size: 24.92 GB (25,516,106,962 bytes)
  Created: Sunday, September 1, 2019, 3:40:16 PM
  Modified: Sunday, September 1, 2019, 5:42:13 PM
  Accessed: Sunday, September 1, 2019, 5:42:13 PM
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 02:01:56.793, 59.940 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
  Audio 1: 02:01:56.735, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC
  Audio 2: 02:01:56.735, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

Summary
  [TCFM]: 6

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

 

 

Comments

j-v wrote on 9/2/2019, 3:46 AM

If it helps I use "OBS" software to record and Vegas pro 16.0 to edit. 

Buildnr. of VP 16?
424 is the latest and best

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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matthew-c wrote on 9/2/2019, 1:11 PM

If it helps I use "OBS" software to record and Vegas pro 16.0 to edit. 

Buildnr. of VP 16?
424 is the latest and best

I don't know and don't know how to check, but are you sure that the build would have a significant impact?

vkmast wrote on 9/2/2019, 1:21 PM

Help > About > General tab shows your build number. Note that the new builds contain bug fixes, which is why the latest build is usually recommended.

https://www.magix.com/us/support/my-service-center/product-downloads/

j-v wrote on 9/2/2019, 1:30 PM

Yess and you find in f.i. here


 

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met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

matthew-c wrote on 9/2/2019, 3:03 PM

I have build 248, should I be updating to 424?

j-v wrote on 9/2/2019, 3:08 PM

Yess

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

matthew-c wrote on 9/13/2019, 7:24 PM

Yess

I updated to 424 but no changes, I feel like I might need to upgrade from my i5 7400 to something better, the only thing I haven't tried because I don't want to buck up, but if that is the only option I'll do so

Musicvid wrote on 9/13/2019, 8:16 PM

In Audio Preferences, which driver is chosen?

Don't use Mapper.

The one you want will say ASIO, or Direct Sound Mapper, or HD Audio Device.

That should give you some improvement through full duplexing.

matthew-c wrote on 9/15/2019, 1:17 PM

In Audio Preferences, which driver is chosen?

Don't use Mapper.

The one you want will say ASIO, or Direct Sound Mapper, or HD Audio Device.

That should give you some improvement through full duplexing.

This sped things up tremendously, thank you so much. That being said, is there more adjustments I can make to speed things up as it isn't perfect, just a lot better. Like more audio adjustments as the lagging only occurs when I import my commentary.

fr0sty wrote on 9/19/2019, 11:00 PM

You can feel free to re-post that video you made here for others to see, we just need to keep everything consolidated into one thread so the forums don't get cluttered with duplicates.

Otherwise, here's a link to the post (and video) mentioned above: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/preview-window-and-timeline-slow-and-laggy--117205/

What audio hardware are you using... or are you using onboard audio built onto your motherboard?

Also, let's try something. Take that audio track of your voice, and highlight it with a loop region. go to Tools>render to new track, then render it out (make sure "render loop region" is checked in the render settings, so it only renders the part you want and not the entire timeline) as a wav file with the same properties as the source (i.e., 16 bit, 48khz). See if putting that wav file in place of the aac file helps improve your performance. I'd actually remove the aac file from the timeline completely just to be sure.

Don't worry, wav is lossless, you aren't losing quality.

If this works, we know it's an issue with the source media file messing with Vegas, and not something else like your audio hardware. An easy fix can be to just record the audio into a different format, or convert it before editing.

Another workaround you could try is to mute the video track, and get your audio sounding the way you like it... as in both voice and music balanced just how you like them to be in the final video... then render them both to a new track as one wav file, and delete the 2 source files from the timeline and re-enable the video. That will at least bypass the issue and let you you edit the video with better performance until we can get to the bottom of it.

Last changed by fr0sty on 9/19/2019, 11:19 PM, changed a total of 11 times.

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Windows 10

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matthew-c wrote on 9/20/2019, 12:29 AM

You can feel free to re-post that video you made here for others to see, we just need to keep everything consolidated into one thread so the forums don't get cluttered with duplicates.

Otherwise, here's a link to the post (and video) mentioned above: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/preview-window-and-timeline-slow-and-laggy--117205/

What audio hardware are you using... or are you using onboard audio built onto your motherboard?

Also, let's try something. Take that audio track of your voice, and highlight it with a loop region. go to Tools>render to new track, then render it out (make sure "render loop region" is checked in the render settings, so it only renders the part you want and not the entire timeline) as a wav file with the same properties as the source (i.e., 16 bit, 48khz). See if putting that wav file in place of the aac file helps improve your performance. I'd actually remove the aac file from the timeline completely just to be sure.

Don't worry, wav is lossless, you aren't losing quality.

If this works, we know it's an issue with the source media file messing with Vegas, and not something else like your audio hardware. An easy fix can be to just record the audio into a different format, or convert it before editing.

Another workaround you could try is to mute the video track, and get your audio sounding the way you like it... as in both voice and music balanced just how you like them to be in the final video... then render them both to a new track as one wav file, and delete the 2 source files from the timeline and re-enable the video. That will at least bypass the issue and let you you edit the video with better performance until we can get to the bottom of it.

 

This has completely fixed my issues, I cannot thank everyone who has helped me enough!