Alternative to Vegas Pro with near functionalities

Mickael-Lacoste wrote on 2/24/2022, 12:08 PM

Hello all, truly fed up with so many Vegas Pro crashes, I don't want to continue to waste time with such a buggy video editing software. I like functionalities of this software but loosing too much time with many crashes due to development bugs.

It's not a stable software and I want to switch to another video editing tool but I would like a software near to Vegas Pro in term of functionalities. I don't want to spent too much time to learn, is there an advice ? Adobe Premiere Pro ? Filmora ?

Thanks.

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Grazie wrote on 2/24/2022, 12:19 PM

I have no idea, been with VP for 20 years, so I’m not the best to respond. Sorry 😢.

jetdv wrote on 2/24/2022, 12:34 PM

I haven't found any NLEs as easy to use as VEGAS. Premiere definitely isn't as easy. I consider Filmora a consumer app. And, personally, I've seen every NLE I've tried crash.

vkmast wrote on 2/24/2022, 12:53 PM

I believe most non-linear video editors have free test versions available to download. Nothing like testing a program for yourself to check compatibility with your system and to see how it fits your personal needs. "Try before you buy" is worth the time spent to avoid disappointment.

Former user wrote on 2/24/2022, 2:08 PM

@Mickael-Lacoste I used MEP for 12yrs-ish, i moved to Vegas because the timeline works in a similar but i did try out other programs, they all were either too messy, based around compositing, just as fast/slow to render as Vegas, & i crashed every one of them, as @vkmast says, try them out & see but i stuck with Vegas & have stopped looking, As reg to Adobe, it's a bit like Macs vs PC's, or iPhones vs Android.... my OFX Boris plugins don't work n it, i'd have to buy the licence again. I didn't try it out,

Yelandkeil wrote on 2/24/2022, 2:36 PM

If you can't drive a brand car well, so you can't drive another brand car as well, too. 

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HERO5: ProtuneFlat2.7k60pLinear, WB=4800K, Shutter=auto, ISO=800

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Mickael-Lacoste wrote on 2/24/2022, 5:18 PM

Ok, many thanks for all those answers.

Your advice seems to be: continue with Vegas Pro ... is there a crash/freeze guide ? I mean a complete list of what to perform when it's not stable enough ? I tried to reset settings (Ctrl+shift), I tried reboot of course, all drivers are up to date, no hard disk corruption ...

I bought a video card (AMD Radeon 6600) but some functionalities doesn't work with it (track shadow, ticket opened but Vegas Pro team answer is to disable GPU optim ... the worst possible answer) so I'm a little bit disappointed.

And crash/freezes happens on different situations, no link, random ... and the Vegas Pro crash reporting system does not open for every crash, when it's a freeze, crash reporting are not performed.

Former user wrote on 2/24/2022, 5:36 PM

@Mickael-Lacoste Hi, if you put your Windows & Vegas version, your System specs CPU, GPU & Ram in your Signature that will hep, go to your icon at the top of the page - My Profile - Signature, this will then show at the bottom of your comments, see mine & others above 👍

What size/kind of media are using, 4k, HD, HEVC?, if you can describe what your doing on the timeline etc. ?

set wrote on 2/24/2022, 5:38 PM

also, what source video do you edit?

Where did they come from or what camera or recorder used to record all footages?

 

There are some sources that seems troubling, and there are other sources that works best.

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Yelandkeil wrote on 2/24/2022, 5:50 PM

Nope, nobody indicates that way but tells you the truth about NLEs: none of them is perfect.

You must only know what achievement with which equipment canbe realized and try them out with love plus endure/knowhow, e.g. your RX 6600 ist much better than my GPU but I didn't suffer crashes as you described.

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HERO5: ProtuneFlat2.7k60pLinear, WB=4800K, Shutter=auto, ISO=800

Win11Pro: 24H2-26100.4061; Direct3D API: 12.2
VEGASPro22 + XMediaRecode/Handbrake + DVDArchi7 
AcidPro10 + SoundForgePro14.0.065 + SpectraLayersPro7 
K-LitecodecPack17.8.0 (MPC Video Renderer for HDR10-Videoplayback on PC) 

Mickael-Lacoste wrote on 2/24/2022, 6:51 PM

@Former user, @set, I didn't put any technical details here because my idea was to find another video editing software, it was not a try to resolve freezes/crashes. And you're right, to find a root cause, all technical information are needed.

But when freezes/crashes happens, it's never on the same action, random crash, it looks like an electronic issue. So, perhaps it's my computer setup, it's possible but only Vegas Pro freezes/crashes. I know that video editing is one of the hardest software challenge, My job is to work on software (as developer/architect/manager/editor) and the more frustrating is that for freezes, I cannot have any idea of the freeze reason ... hourglass and the only option is to force application closure. Vegas Pro automatic issue reporting doesn't work for freezes and when I restart, the only proposed option is to recover the last autosaved project but nothing about the crash.

And I was never able to reproduce any freeze/crash. It's not stable, perhaps because of graphic driver, no idea, with my previous GPU (integrated Intel GPU) it was not stable too ...

I don't know how to proceed because of random freezes. I saw a Live save option but I suppose that video editing performance will be awful with this setting. Perhaps I will try but I hope that one day, freezes will be detected and freeze reporting system will be developed. By the way, I cannot help Vegas support team and the team cannot help me !

EricLNZ wrote on 2/24/2022, 7:14 PM

I didn't put any technical details here because my idea was to find another video editing software,

Well surely it's obvious that any software's forum is the last place to get advice on "another video editing software". Suggest you post on forums that deal with video editing in general rather than a specific product.

As well as trying the trial versions of other software, also peruse their forums as this should give you a good idea of problems that their users experience.

Former user wrote on 2/24/2022, 7:16 PM

Your advice seems to be: continue with Vegas Pro ... is there a crash/freeze guide ? I mean a complete list of what to perform when it's not stable enough ? I tried to reset settings (Ctrl+shift), I tried reboot of course, all drivers are up to date, no hard disk corruption ...

I bought a video card (AMD Radeon 6600)

@Mickael-Lacoste You asked this question above & you mentioned that you got a graphics but that's all we know, there is no one 'crash/freeze guide'. My Vegas doesn't crash any more than other programs i've tried but i have it set up how i want & i know which media works well & which doesn't, which media you use & how it performs in Vegas can vary depending on the settings you use, also random crashes without any seemingly related reason is often the hardware not software, surely if you 'work on software (as developer/architect/manager/editor)' you understand the importance of hardware in conjunction with software, people here are more than willing to help you but if you're not going to share i'm not sure what you expect from this ..? btw i have Live Save On, it doesn't affect performance on mine.

Musicvid wrote on 2/24/2022, 7:20 PM

Every other thread that you've started complains only about features implementation, without using the word "crash." Now you want another program with the same features, but your Vegas program is "crashing." Seems to be a disconnect somewhere...

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/users/profile/Mickael-Lacoste/posts/

Grazie wrote on 2/24/2022, 11:28 PM

@Former user, @set, I didn't put any technical details here because my idea was to find another video editing software, it was not a try to resolve freezes/crashes.

@Mickael-Lacoste - Hysterical! I’m so loathe to continue. But here goes.

And you're right, to find a root cause, all technical information are needed.

@Mickael-Lacoste - Yup, that’s what we’re here for.

But when freezes/crashes happens, it's never on the same action, random crash, it looks like an electronic issue. So, perhaps it's my computer setup, it's possible but only Vegas Pro freezes/crashes.

@Mickael-Lacoste - So, only VP freezes and therefore it’s VP. Why? Along with suggesting it’s your hardware - yah think? Moving on…..

I know that video editing is one of the hardest software challenge,

@Mickael-Lacoste - Yup, correct.

My job is to work on software (as developer/architect/manager/editor) and the more frustrating is that for freezes, I cannot have any idea of the freeze reason ... hourglass and the only option is to force application closure. Vegas Pro automatic issue reporting doesn't work for freezes and when I restart, the only proposed option is to recover the last autosaved project but nothing about the crash.

And I was never able to reproduce any freeze/crash. It's not stable, perhaps because of graphic driver, no idea, with my previous GPU (integrated Intel GPU) it was not stable too ...

@Mickael-Lacoste - Yup, that’s one of the hardest glitches to chase down, nasty.

I don't know how to proceed because of random freezes. I saw a Live save option but I suppose that video editing performance will be awful with this setting.

@Mickael-Lacoste - Well you’re here, best place 😉.

Perhaps I will try but I hope that one day, freezes will be detected and freeze reporting system will be developed.

@Mickael-Lacoste - Well yes, and there is the reporting system.

By the way, I cannot help Vegas support team and the team cannot help me !

@Mickael-Lacoste - My way of thinking, you have two options: EITHER, stop Editing, altogether OR be open and help us to help you. We still don’t know your setup nor your VP version or Build? Now, why’s that? So what’s actually been your history with the support team?

Look, I’ve spent 20 years wrangling this wonderful NLE, and yes, I’ll be honest, at times I’ve wanted to kick the PC ACROSS THE ROOM! So, after 16 incarnations of VP I’m still with it. I’ve taken on the derision and scoffing from other NLE Editors in the field, and yet, in comparison, VP just works for me and my cameras and my silly lil narratives. So, @Mickael-Lacoste, be more open with what you’ve got and I’m sure we’ll try to improve matters for you.

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RogerS wrote on 2/25/2022, 1:44 AM

Also, what's the type of media you are using, specifically?

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

walter-i. wrote on 2/25/2022, 2:36 AM
My job is to work on software (as developer/architect/manager/editor)

Then you should actually a structured way of working to find / fix errors is not unknown .....

If you already persistently refuse to post your system data in a structured way in your signature so that helpful people - in their spare time - can help you, then try tutorial #15 in the following troubleshooting guide :

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/de/forum/vegas-pro-faqs-and-troubleshooting-guides--104787/

Edit:
If you're also having problems rendering, also check out #16 of the troubleshooting guide

Mickael-Lacoste wrote on 2/25/2022, 4:55 AM

Thanks for your answers. @Musicvid, perhaps you miss this post in my posts: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/track-shadow-issue-with-gpu-accelerated--133484/

Ok, it's the only post about an issue and I opened it with all possible technical details (and more on the Vegas Pro support ticketing system) because I was able to reproduce it ! And the final support answer was:

Thank you for the sample file. I wasn't able to reproduce this issue on my system due to it not using an AMD card. I'll need to bring this up with our dev team to see if it is something that could be fixed in a future build. For now we suggest simply having AMD disabled in the VEGAS software.

So, for me, it's not an answer and I can't accept it. How can I continue to be confident about this software ... I know that it's hard to develop a software compatible with all hardware but when an issue is reproducible with a standard hardware (I don't think AMD 6600 is so specific) I would expect more than "could be fixed". For sure, it's perhaps related to a driver issue but only Vegas Pro developer team can confirm that.

All other freezes/crashes happens randomly, without any error or log message and without any specific video content format, even with only media generated shapes, it can freezes. Sometimes no freeze during 3 hours of video editing session, sometimes one freeze every 10 minutes ... that's why it's very hard for me to ask for help.

If I asked about another software here it was because I like Vegas Pro functionalities, it's just I dislike freezes. I know that finding the root cause is extremely hard and will consume many times, your time (and I thank you another time because of all your advices, I appreciate) and my time.

But the conclusion of this topic seems to be: no "magical" video editing software, all of them can have stability issues.

I'm using other "big" softwares such as digital audio workstations, Cubase Pro for example, and I never had so many freezes and crashes. Ok, it's "only" audio but it's based on complex engines, plugins, realtime rendering but more stable than Vegas.

I hope Vegas team will develop a way to analyze freezes in order to try to catch what part of the game is bad.

Dexcon wrote on 2/25/2022, 5:21 AM

The gist of what I have read so far on this post is that the OP is not interested in trying to solve his freezing issue with Vegas Pro given his reluctance to provide any requested information about his computer specs or media being used. In his original post he asked:

I want to switch to another video editing tool but I would like a software near to Vegas Pro in term of functionalities. I don't want to spent too much time to learn, is there an advice ?

Using the car analogy, that's kind of like going on to the Ford Fan Club website and saying that you've had too many problems with your Ford car and then asking Ford fans for a recommendation for a better car manufacturer. The OP should look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_editing_software and explore and try (trial) the options. How can anybody make a reasoned and rational suggestion when being in the dark about his computer specs and media. If he really is a "software ... developer/architect/manager/editor" he should know better than to expect a logical and informed recommendation based on no or little basic data.

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E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

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Grazie wrote on 2/25/2022, 5:30 AM

@Dexcon - 200% agreement!

Musicvid wrote on 2/25/2022, 6:37 AM

This thread has to do with something other than video editing.

Former user wrote on 2/25/2022, 6:38 AM
 

But the conclusion of this topic seems to be: no "magical" video editing software, all of them can have stability issues.

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Adobe Premiere as an example is so much better now than it was years ago, it's evolved. Vegas stays the same, but gains extra features. The problem is that you said you don't want to learn anything else, and with Premiere you need to learn, not very intuitive. You get 3 different versions of Premiere for your money, 2021,2022, and beta, if you had a problem with one version another may work fine with your GPU. It's subscription so that is another barrier to entry.

Other software people talk about is MEP (Magix Movie editor Pro) from what I have seen it is extremely efficient as far as GPU and CPU use, it runs how you would like Vegas to run on timeline, but from the Forum topics for this software, it crashes a lot just like Vegas, and does not have the same features as a Vegas Pro. I think that you want to stay with Vegas but want it to crash less, and not lag on timeline as much due to improvements in CPU and GPU use. I don't think that will happen, based on the amount of years the same problems have existed with common AVC/HEVC source footage.

I turn on Live Save, and accept it's mediocrity. You have old forum users like @AVsupport who, much like you kept hoping, year after year, Vegas would improve, and in his case he wanted Vegas to support HEVC decode for this Sony A7sIII camera, It's supported in every other editor but not Vegas. In the end he became irrational and distraught, stopped posting or reading the forum. If you can accept Vegas for what it is , and nothing more you will be much happier.

 

3POINT wrote on 2/25/2022, 6:43 AM

@ Dexcon, partially agree (with your car analogy). Lots of us have also a second car, and not necessary of the same brand.

So do I have also a second NLE, not because I'm unsatisfied with Vegas like OP, but because that other NLE has some features Vegas doesn't have or are difficult to achieve with Vegas.

Dexcon wrote on 2/25/2022, 6:56 AM

@3POINT  ... my reference to a car referred back to an earlier comment by Yelandkeil, but introducing a second car example is a bit of a stretch - the OP didn't mention anything about a second NLE option, only a replacement NLE option to Vegas Pro - by his own words he wants to "switch" NLEs.

Yes, I also have other NLEs installed on my computer, but really that was not the issue raise by the OP.

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Windows 11

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

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C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

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C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

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Yelandkeil wrote on 2/25/2022, 7:09 AM

The last: technic can be also backword to e.g. this never-crash-system💪💪💪

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ASUS TUF Gaming B550plus BIOS3202: 
*Thermaltake TOUGHPOWER GF1 850W 
*ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11PRO; 512GB/sys, 2TB/data 
*G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-64GFX 
*AMD Ryzen9 5950x + LiquidFreezer II-240 
*XFX Speedster-MERC319-RX6900XT <-AdrenalinEdition 24.12.1
Samsung 2xLU28R55 HDR10 (300CD/m², 1499Nits/peak) ->2xDPort
ROCCAT Kave 5.1Headset/Mic ->Analog (AAFOptimusPack 6.0.9403.1)
LG DSP7 Surround 5.1Soundbar ->TOSLINK

DJI Mini4 Pro: HLG4k60p, AWB, shutter=100, ISO=auto, F1.7, EV-2.0
Lumix DC-GH6/H-FS12060E: HLG4k60p, AWB, shutter=100, ISO=auto (250 - 6400)
HERO5: ProtuneFlat2.7k60pLinear, WB=4800K, Shutter=auto, ISO=800

Win11Pro: 24H2-26100.4061; Direct3D API: 12.2
VEGASPro22 + XMediaRecode/Handbrake + DVDArchi7 
AcidPro10 + SoundForgePro14.0.065 + SpectraLayersPro7 
K-LitecodecPack17.8.0 (MPC Video Renderer for HDR10-Videoplayback on PC)