Can't open mp4 with Vegas 13 and have tried "everything"

aiki-a wrote on 5/9/2019, 12:43 PM

Hey,

I have a video downloaded from Adobe Connect (mp4) that vegas pro 13 can't open. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling Quicktime. I've tried converting with VLC into various formats, hasn't got it working. The most that I got was a file that played video and audio in VLC, but only recognised audio in Vegas.

Here's the info file and I'd soooo appreciate any help. I got so fed up that I almost thought of going over to Adobe Premier, though I've never used it - desperate :D Thank you for taking time for this!

Comments

Musicvid wrote on 5/9/2019, 12:58 PM

Your variable frame rate footage is best converted in Handbrake to constant frame rate, then imported by Vegas.

You should also try the newest trial version of Vegas that is said to handle this internally.

Eagle Six wrote on 5/9/2019, 1:38 PM

In addition to @Musicvid , Happy Otter Scripts is currently available as a free download. You may find success using the Import Assist function within it. It is available at tools4vegas.com

Also you may like MediaER Tool Kit, which is a bit easier to use than Handbrake, both do a good job, both are free.

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

aiki-a wrote on 5/9/2019, 11:56 PM

THANK YOU SO MUCH!
(It's still downloading Vegas 16, so it takes a while to try that one out 😂)

But ER Media toolkit made miracles. Took a while but I got it into vegas now. I totally recommend that!

I owe you @Musicvid @Eagle Six 😀

Eagle Six wrote on 5/10/2019, 10:27 AM

👍

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Musicvid wrote on 5/10/2019, 10:36 AM

👍

Musicvid wrote on 5/12/2019, 9:09 PM

@Eagle Six

You've mentioned media ER tool kit a couple of times, but Google doesn't seem to mention it even by searching variations of the name you gave?

Can you give us a link to the home page of this product? Is it available in the US?

Dot wrote on 5/12/2019, 9:11 PM

Is this what they are referring to?

https://audiospot.audio/audiospot-creativetools

aiki-a wrote on 5/13/2019, 2:42 AM

Yep, that's the link @Dot gave ;)

vkmast wrote on 5/13/2019, 3:01 AM

(googled in the EU)

Musicvid wrote on 5/13/2019, 4:11 AM

Ok, I did see that (sans emphasis), and moved on with my search.

[Note to self: At seventy, it's really good to read the fine print.]

Will try tomorrow, still pretty happy with my 5 y/o handbrake, though.

Eagle Six wrote on 5/13/2019, 8:36 AM

still pretty happy with my 5 y/o handbrake, though.

I think Handbrake provides more tools for those who understand what they are and how to use them, or those who want to learn how. Like you @Musicvid I have been using it for many years. However, I tried this ER Media Tool Kit a few months ago and everything I threw at it, it seemed to perform very well, and the interface is, I think, a bit easier for folks to deal with. Using the ffpmeg as the engine of course is is fast on a lot of the jobs it does.

(George, note to self, stop calling it MediaER Tool Kit and Call it ER Media Tool Kit by AudioSpot!!!, or provide the link. It will make it much easier to find!)

System Specs......
Corsair Obsidian Series 450D ATX Mid Tower
Asus X99-A II LGA 2011-v3, Intel X99 SATA 6 Gb/s USB 3.1/3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-6800K 15M Broadwell-E, 6 core 3.4 GHz LGA 2011-v3 (overclocked 20%)
64GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200
Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX 280mm Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
MSI Radeon R9 390 DirectX 12 8GB Video Card
Corsair RMx Series RM750X 740W 80 Plus Gold power pack
Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 boot drive
Corsair Neutron XT 2.5 480GB SATA III SSD - video work drive
Western Digitial 1TB 7200 RPM SATA - video work drive
Western Digital Black 6TB 7200 RPM SATA 6Bb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 data drive

Bluray Disc burner drive
2x 1080p monitors
Microsoft Window 10 Pro
DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 pb2
SVP13, MVP15, MVP16, SMSP13, MVMS15, MVMSP15, MVMSP16

Musicvid wrote on 5/13/2019, 9:21 AM

This one's on me, George, and these lazy old eyes. I look forward to trying it later today!

You keep me thinking and learning.

Best as always, Mark

Oh, thanks for figuring it out @Dot and @aiki-a !

wwaag wrote on 5/13/2019, 11:41 AM

Since HappyOtterScripts has been mentioned in this thread, I thought I'd add some clarification of similarities and differences. Handbrake, ER Media Toolkit and HOS all use FFmpeg and as such the results should be the same for conversion to avc. While FFmpeg does support some lossless codecs including MagicYUV and UtVideo, they are not options inside of Handbrake (at least the version I have). I don't know about ER Toolkit.

Other than integration within Vegas, another major difference is that FFmpeg does not support vfw codecs such as Cineform or GrassValley. An advantage of Cineform is that it supports 10bit 422 and timeline performance seems better than equivalent avc, at least on my system. Since HOS also includes import using VirtualDub2, these codecs are also supported. Of course, Vdub2 is also freeware that can easily be added to one's arsenal of conversion options.

Musicvid wrote on 5/13/2019, 12:25 PM

While FFmpeg does support some lossless codecs including MagicYUV and UtVideo, they are not options inside of Handbrake (at least the version I have). 

Excellent point, @wwaag

Handbrake, like Vegas, is an ENCoder, and supports only x264/x265 in .mp4, .m4v, MKV (lossy) wrappers.

Lossless vfw is not an encoding option in Handbrake, although the ffmpeg DECoder will accept it.

Note: I think Cineform is recently supported in ffmpeg/libavcodec, but is limited by Handbrake's 8 bit pipeline. As tested, however, Handbrake's dither from 10->8 bit downsampling is cleaner than Vegas' legacy pattern dither.

Kinvermark wrote on 5/13/2019, 5:23 PM

Yes, sending a cineform or MagicYUV file to Handbrake for h.264/265 encoding still seems to give the best quality output.

Of course I really do need to find time try Happy Otter Scripts pipeline to x264/265 before making a conclusive statement. :)

wwaag wrote on 5/13/2019, 8:06 PM

@Musicvid

FFmpeg can decode Cineform but not encode. It's a bit surprising since Cineform is now Open Source. Perhaps someone is working on it which would be a nice addition.

@Kinvermark

HOS and Handbrake encoding are the same since they both use FFmpeg. One advantage of HOS is that there is no need to render to an intermediate such as Magic or Cineform--plus you can use better quality audio codecs and adjust audio sync if that's of concern. It uses the frameserver and thus avoids an extra step. If you decide to try HOS, wait a couple of days until the new version is out. I have extended the beta period through 1 Aug.

Kinvermark wrote on 5/13/2019, 8:10 PM

Cool. :) I may actually have some free time later this summer, so that works for me.

Kinvermark wrote on 5/13/2019, 8:12 PM

BTW, I wonder if it would be a good idea for Vegas dev's to implement native cineform support - seeing as many of us are dependent upon using the old discontinued Gopro studio encoder/decoder. Something may break that software one day!

wwaag wrote on 5/13/2019, 8:21 PM

@Kinvermark

Absolutely. In some of the earlier Sony versions, Cineform was included when it was still a proprietary codec. Another option is to use the Grass Valley (Edius) suite of codecs which can be freely downloaded.

Musicvid wrote on 5/13/2019, 8:51 PM

Even UT 422, and it appears Magix Intermediate, carry cleaner chroma and shadows than Cineform, in tests that I plan to repeat soon, perhaps by end of May.

Kinvermark wrote on 5/13/2019, 9:25 PM

I am looking primarily at two features for cineform or a substitute: 1) it must "hover scrub" fluidly in the trimmer. 2) It must be supported in other programs that I use. So far only cineform meets these criteria. I have been experimenting with lightweight h264 proxies which can be produced very rapidly via AMD VCE, and are almost as scrub-able, but not quite. Of course, this is only pertinent to my peculiar workflow, so maybe not relevant.

 

Musicvid wrote on 5/14/2019, 12:21 AM

Yes, Cineform is very "scrubbable."

2) Which other programs do you use it in?

Have you tested "Intermediate 422 HQ? I'm just getting my feet wet but JN_'s numbers look impressive if they're on a similar playing field.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/codec-xavc-s--115606/#ca716992

 

JN_ wrote on 5/14/2019, 8:43 AM

@Musicvid “ if they're on a similar playing field.”? Can you clarify? Not sure what you mean here.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver 25.21.14.1967

Intel Graphics driver 26.20.100.6709

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, driver is 4.1967

Musicvid wrote on 5/14/2019, 9:28 AM

Of course.

I used a specific isolated section of a chart designed to reveal chroma subsampling errors in my comparisons. Since we didn't consult before producing our respective versions, I assume its likely you used something else, Different source variables = different playing fields, both valid, but different.