Ghost frames after exporting

Musicvid wrote on 10/14/2018, 1:18 AM

Your Vegas project must match your source media properties, using the Match Media Settings icon.

Then, the Render settings must match the other two. It isn't necessarily automatic.

BWX232 wrote on 10/14/2018, 11:35 AM

The real problem comes with variable frame rate content like created by iphones. Vegas can't seem to double frames to fill gaps when converting to fixed framerate output, but only make big smears and ghosting which makes the entire video look terrible no matter what you do.

j-v wrote on 10/14/2018, 12:01 PM

If that is the case for OP, which he did not tell us, maybe the best solution is to use the event switch to "disable resample" in stead of the default project setting of resampling.

3POINT wrote on 10/14/2018, 11:53 PM

Must be an error in the VMS15 manual, VMS doesn't have a project resampling setting, only an event resampling setting.

vkmast wrote on 10/15/2018, 3:23 AM

Indeed. Things have not changed with this re VMSP Help since this comment and thread.

Jerkburger wrote on 10/15/2018, 3:37 AM

Thank you for the replies. You are correct BWX232, the source video is variable framerate (screen captures using the Windows 10 Xbox app). I didn't quite grasp the solution you offered Musicvid, but j-v's suggestion of disabling resample did the trick.

However, this inconvenience coupled with various other troubles such as audio desync has completely deterred me from this product and I've decided to pursue a refund (which is a real bummer).

Thanks again for the help everyone.

j-v wrote on 10/15/2018, 4:12 AM

Must be an error in the VMS15 manual, VMS doesn't have a project resampling setting, only an event resampling setting.

Sorry, I should not had added the picture with some uninteresting explaining of what resampling does, but unfortunately I can't edit the message. 😄

3POINT wrote on 10/15/2018, 4:16 AM

I don't know any video editor who supports editing variable framerate footage. Just switching the resampling off will give a clear image at the first sight, but will cause probably a audio sync problem and a none smooth motion of your video.

A workaround is converting your footage first to constant framerate with a tool like "Handbrake".

Jerkburger wrote on 10/15/2018, 4:27 AM

I've created a few recent edits using Shotcut and have not experienced any of these problems. The main issue with that program is constant crashes, haha.

I appreciate the workaround offer, but I'm not willing to convert hundreds if not thousands of clips.

3POINT wrote on 10/15/2018, 6:04 AM

If Shotcut fulfills your needs, that's fine...

Jerkburger wrote on 10/15/2018, 6:25 AM

It gets the job done for basic edits which require little more than trimming clips, but the same could be said of Windows Movie Maker 15 years ago (incidentally they both share a propensity for crashing). It obviously lacks the power to create fancy, technical videos which is why I purchased VMS. I wish there were a more elegant solution to these issues.

3POINT wrote on 10/15/2018, 7:00 AM

It obviously lacks the power to create fancy, technical videos which is why I purchased VMS. I wish there were a more elegant solution to these issues.

Strange, I created several videos with VMS the last decade, mostly vacation or grandkids videos. And sure, far beyond simple trimming of some clips. I have both, VegasPro and VegasMovieStudio. There are almost no projects which I cannot do with VMS15 and where I have to use VPro16 instead.

My footage comes from (see my signature) Camcorder, DSLR, and Actioncams, ...but never from a Smartphone...

Norbert wrote on 10/15/2018, 9:43 AM

Disable smart resample, be sure that the media respects the frame rate grid on the timeline and be sure to use the same framerate when you export what is set in the project settings.

Disable motion blur on the track, be sure that you deinterlace the footage if it isn't progressive and be sure that the raw footsge isn't ''ghosty'.

If the footage doesn't respect the framerate grid on the timeline quantize all video events using Vegasaur.

Norbert wrote on 10/15/2018, 9:45 AM

If the source is variable framerate then convert it into a constant format before using it

3POINT wrote on 10/15/2018, 10:24 AM

If the footage doesn't respect the framerate grid on the timeline quantize all video events using Vegasaur.

We're talking here about editing with VMS, Vegasaur works only with VegasPro.

If the source is variable framerate then convert it into a constant format before using it

As already was said a few posts earlier.

EricLNZ wrote on 10/15/2018, 6:10 PM

One other point - using Handbrake to convert files to constant framerate it does have a batch (queue) facility. So you could tell it to convert a folder of files and just leave it running overnight if necessary.

3POINT wrote on 10/15/2018, 11:44 PM

Yes, you're right Eric, I forgot to tell.

BWX232 wrote on 10/27/2018, 7:10 AM

Well I was able to successfully import a 4k 30 fps variable framerate iphone vid without encoding to fixed rate fps in handbrake first.. I just changed project settings to 29.970 fps. Granted, it was buggy as hell and VMS15 hates those files in their native form. The video preview is jerky and slow even with my fast PC and it doesn;t matter what video preview settings I use. Could be 1/4 resolution preview settings and it still is bad. I also fought black frames and clips and program crashes the whole time as I mentioned in this post- https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-movie-studio-15-update-2-general-discussion--112288/?page=3#ca701088

I guess it would just be easier to convert these to 29.970 before importing to VMS15. Still the time it takes to do that is probably significant on long 4k vids.