Limited render resolutions. Also letterboxing

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EricLNZ wrote on 7/11/2018, 11:07 PM

@Musicvid - in your post four above, which MS version are your screenshots from? My MS15 Platinum looks quite different as I don't get the Output File and Output Format options in the same way.

Peter-Meier wrote on 7/12/2018, 12:40 AM

I started out trialing the basic version, but when you told me about the customizable templates in the platinum version I downloaded that trial one as well, and since it's currently only 10 bucks more I'm likely gonna choose to buy that one. Just need to spend some more time on it this week-end.

vkmast wrote on 7/12/2018, 2:04 AM

@EricLNZ VP 14 (the one in the screenshots) and MSP 12 still had that kind of a Render As window. The later versions of both have the look that you have in VMS 15P (with small modifications along the way).
 

EricLNZ wrote on 7/12/2018, 2:16 AM

Thanks vk. I recently uninstalled MSP12 & 13 so couldn't check.

Peter - the general consensus of opinion is don't bother with the basic version. There's much missing that Platinum has. Personally I wish Magix would drop it as it does cause problems to newcomers. I wish they'd replace it with an "Edit" version like Pro to give a cheaper option.

vkmast wrote on 7/12/2018, 2:25 AM

As EricLNZ says about the basic version. Good that the OP found out about the restrictions by using the trial first. Too many comments here asking for a refund for that version. Try before you buy used to be a sticky. A general FEI: the main FAQ still is.

3POINT wrote on 7/12/2018, 5:38 AM

I agree with one of Peter's comments. It would be helpful if when exporting with a template whose frame ratio doesn't match the project, the user is given a warning to alert them. They may have accidentally selected an incorrect template such as PAL instead of PAL Widescreen.


You get an error message when exporting to not allowed resolutions, what else do you need? Sometimes I export old 4.3 recordings in a 16:9 project or downconvert UHD to HD, why should I be warned than?

EricLNZ wrote on 7/12/2018, 6:13 AM

Consider it a cautionary note rather than a warning which crops up when the image ratio differs between project and render. In both the cases you mention I wouldn't expect anything assuming you are rendering to 16:9. UHD and HD have the same image ratio anyway.

Musicvid wrote on 7/12/2018, 7:33 AM

GUI differences aside, doesn't the absence of matched "=" templates serve as an adequate enough "warning" that they are mismatched / unavailable? Not sure what he is after, like some kind of redundancy check?

Sorry, I have MSP 13 and VP 14.

If it's like a soccer mom feature, I can do without.

EricLNZ wrote on 7/12/2018, 6:41 PM

As a past "netball pop" whilst I can live without it I can appreciate the usefulness of the alert..

3POINT wrote on 7/12/2018, 10:27 PM

We're talking about video, which had in the past a 4:3 picture ratio and nowadays a 16:9 picture ratio. I'm still confused which warning should pop-up when someone starts messing up those ratios?

EricLNZ wrote on 7/12/2018, 10:39 PM

If you go to export a 16:9 project with a 4:3 template, or vice versa a warning that your project and render don't match and you will get letterboxing/pillarboxing. "Do you wish to proceed Yes/No/Cancel".

3POINT wrote on 7/13/2018, 2:25 AM

If you go to export a 16:9 project with a 4:3 template, or vice versa a warning that your project and render don't match and you will get letterboxing/pillarboxing. "Do you wish to proceed Yes/No/Cancel".

I never had with VMS, when using the renderwizard (which makes rendering in VMS almost idiot proof), that VMS uses a rendertemplate that's not confirming the project aspect ratio. Also when you are not using the renderwizard and think that you're already smart enough to choose from the bunch of rendertemplates, there is an easy filter option where you can filter only those templates with the same aspect ratio, frame rate, resolution, field oder as the project and so on. At the point that you become an expert and start creating your own templates, for example, to create a 21:9 aspect ratio template, ofcourse you are than also aware that this creates letterboxing on a 16:9 screen.

For me still no need for a warning.

Musicvid wrote on 7/13/2018, 7:38 AM

iirc, Magix' existing consumer editing product line attempts to do the math for you to an extent.

To the extent that VMS attempts to bridge the gap to mastery of ratio math, it's at least a good wish.

But to the extent that it delays or defers retraining of forgotten, critical math skills, it is not a logical step up to the Vegas Pro learning curve, which involves plenty of in-flight skills challenges and gotchas.