Optimal size source files

Joe-Engel4655 wrote on 12/29/2020, 6:54 PM

I struggle onward with VMSP17, learning tidbits as I go. So here's a question for you all:

I shoot a lot of action camera footage. Often many continuous hours of 1080/30. This creates large numbers of 4Gbyte sequential files. I haven't tried this yet but I suspect VMSP17 will choke if, for example, I dump 4 or more 4Gbyte source files onto the timeline. Is their a reasonable limit to shoot for? At what size of source file does VMSP17 perform best? What's a manageable, workable length of timeline anyway? Do folks create two hour continuous projects in one piece on the timeline (for example) or chunk it down for manageability and glue it back together when finished?

I know I can either precut the sources into smaller chunks before loading into VMSP17 and I guess I can render chunks and somehow piece them together, but what is best practice on this subject?

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Musicvid wrote on 12/29/2020, 7:29 PM

The answers to all of your questions have relatively little to do with Vegas Movie Studio, and are largely dependent on your system capabilities, about which you haven't told us anything.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

Joe-Engel4655 wrote on 12/29/2020, 9:48 PM

Okay, okay. I added the details on my system to my signature. I hope this suffices.

But my inquiry was more of a best practices when working with VMSP17 and I would think that would apply in general. For example, the best practices to manage a long timeline would seem to be independent of system capability.

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Musicvid wrote on 12/30/2020, 9:25 AM

Don't multitask, keep Dynamic RAM low except when needed, keep drivers current, use timeline proxies and intermediates, save and restart every two hours.

j-v wrote on 12/30/2020, 10:34 AM

@Joe-Engel4655
Looking at your hardware and compare it to mine there might not be any problem to add very much heavy 4 K and long events to a timeline in VMSP 17, but who do you think will take a look at the result of the more than 10 hours project rendered to a file?
I show you what is for sure possible on a timeline filled with many ( +10 hours ) heavy 4K AVC and HEVC files made with my GoPro 7 Black and DJI Pocket cams

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vkmast wrote on 12/30/2020, 11:42 AM

@j-v with your desktop or current laptop?

j-v wrote on 12/30/2020, 12:26 PM

That was on new laptop, but on my desktop I see the same and because there are more and older files I loaded more than 14 hours of the same 4K AVC and HEVC sourcefiles from GOPro and DJI

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Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
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Joe-Engel4655 wrote on 12/30/2020, 1:23 PM

Thank you both for your responses. j-v, I did not mean that I would make a 10 hour render. I meant to say that I might have 10 hours of source files from which I might whittle down to a 1 hour render. But I was concerned with both the capability of VMSP17 (204) to handle that kind of volume as one project (which you seem to indicate is possible with my setup) and also the capability of a reasonably experienced editor (not me) to effectively manipulate that amount of complexity and volume in a single project. In other words, what is best practice?

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j-v wrote on 12/30/2020, 1:52 PM

My practise has always been to sort first the files of a certain date, set them in their logical order and cut off the pieces I dont want to show and after that add the next ones and so on until I have a lenght that I want to show myself or others. In the past, everytime I saved the .vf under a number but today I use the " Advanced save" in the menu Tools to make a save every moment I want it to make automatic.
After I'm ready with the total amount for my project I start the rest of editing as color or other FX's, titles, sometimes accelerations and so on.

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3POINT wrote on 12/30/2020, 3:43 PM

I was concerned with both the capability of VMSP17 (204) to handle that kind of volume as one project (which you seem to indicate is possible with my setup) and also the capability of a reasonably experienced editor (not me) to effectively manipulate that amount of complexity and volume in a single project. In other words, what is best practice?

Best practice is not to import all your footage into your project at once and than start editing, but use the explorer to drag just the clips needed in your project directly into the timeline.

Joe-Engel4655 wrote on 12/30/2020, 7:41 PM

Thank you 3POINT. That would work except that I have no idea in advance, what clips I need. I typically just have 20 4GB MP4 files all dated the same day different times. I was hoping I would not have to use a pre-Vegas application just to identify and prune the clips I want to assemble into Vegas.

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3POINT wrote on 12/31/2020, 8:21 AM

It's the amount of clips imported into VMS that could limit editing, not their size.

I'm also wondering which action takes several hours and is worthwhile to shoot.

Joe-Engel4655 wrote on 12/31/2020, 11:18 AM

Regarding action that takes hours. These are "Action Camera" and "Dashcam" types of filming. Think of a time lapse 24 hour shot of a bird's nest with chicks hatching. Think of continuous filming of a mountain transit through a windshield. Now we have 300 Gigs of footage but maybe only an hour of really interesting stuff scattered throughout.

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Musicvid wrote on 12/31/2020, 12:52 PM

These are "Action Camera" and "Dashcam" types of filming. Think of a time lapse 24 hour shot of a bird's nest with chicks hatching. Think of continuous filming of a mountain transit through a windshield. Now we have 300 Gigs of footage but maybe only an hour of really interesting stuff scattered throughout.

That raises some questions about what format(s) are actually in these files, since many Asian budget cameras use unlicensed or old public domain codecs to cut corners. The thing that first made me suspect VFW is the 4GB chunks. Provide your source file properties please, and we may be able to give you some intermediate suggestions to cut your working file sizes by up to 90%, which will free up a helluva lot of memory for editing.

Also, if you can upload an actual, short camera sample to Drive or Dropbox, I'd be glad to play with it.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

3POINT wrote on 12/31/2020, 2:38 PM

That's probably my different way of shooting. I selectively shoot when I see something of interest and not shooting everything to look in post if there was something of interest.

Joe-Engel4655 wrote on 12/31/2020, 4:36 PM

3point: Yes, it is a very different way of shooting. And sometimes, 0n a road trip, we'll have no time to even look at the raw footage for 10 days. So imagine 10 days x 10 hours of continuous 1080p raw files to comb through for nuggets. That's why we have a 10Terabyte NAS.

Musicvid: Thank you. I will send you the Mediainfo scan when I can. But just to be clear, VMSP17 is working well with our new "Hot -Setup" PC and the MP4 files we shoot. It really works well. But I still get overwhelmed with the sheer volume of stuff and I visualize a timeline stretching out around the block. I am concerned that VMSP will just choke and die when I have several days of editing already invested. Hope that makes sense.

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Musicvid wrote on 12/31/2020, 5:51 PM

Looking forward to your samples.