SURVEY: Would you upgrade to VP14 if...

NickHope wrote on 6/6/2016, 1:49 PM

Further to this, if a Vegas Pro 14 upgrade comes along in the autumn and has just these 13 changes...

- Robust GPU acceleration on all current AMD and NVIDIA GPUs giving decode speeds of all formats at least on a par with PPro and Resolve
- H.265 input and output
- ProRes input without Quicktime (no ProRes output)
- Option to automate the handling of video levels (but keep the option to edit and preview as it is now)
- 8k output
- True support for 4k monitors
- Ability to set "Disable Resample" as the default
- Video opacity and audio gain keyframeable on an event level, not just track level
- Warning that ripple edit is engaged (e.g. different colour timeline backgrounds or different shaped cursor)
- Vastly increased limit of velocity envelope
- Support 4K output on Decklink 4k Extreme
- Panasonic GH4 23.976p and 24p clips have extended video fixed
- Crash when renaming files in Vegas Explorer window fixed
- Nothing else changes. No new bugs.

... and the introductory pricing for the upgrade is USD149.95, would you upgrade? YES or NO?

If your answer is NO, briefly state ONE realistic further feature that might make you change your mind.

(p.s. This is posted in the spirit of helping the MAGIX team with priorities and market research. I have attempted to choose a reasonable number of popular and realistic features, including some that should be simple to implement)

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MikeWaz1949 wrote on 6/25/2016, 3:38 PM

Conditionally, yes. Having worked with several of the major NLEs as a video editor at a prominent news network, I settled on Vegas Pro for my personal use because it has the features and capabilities of those systems at a fraction of the cost. If Magix continues VP14 as a stand-alone product, with its capabilities improved and not dumbed-down, I will upgrade. While we can quibble over the technical arcana, the criteria for me will be whether VP14 continues to be a flexible, professional-grade editing system capable of delivering video in a timely fashion, and in whatever format is needed. Lastly, I don't want to be caught in the software rental model; I want to purchase the software, not lease the right to use it.

Good luck, Magix. Hope you don't disappoint us.

Terje wrote on 6/29/2016, 3:13 AM

Adding to that list

- Works with Film Convert (currently crashes all the time)
- Can handle Panasonic GH(2/3/4) footage
- Can handle Sony 4K footage (A7RII, A6300)

Then the answer is yes. I have upgraded every single time even though Sony is no longer my editing system of choice, if it starts working again it will be.

Also - tip - The PPro idea of adjustment layers is a REALLY good idea. I recommend trying to also add such a feature.

OldSmoke wrote on 6/29/2016, 8:08 AM

Can handle Sony 4K footage (A7RII, A6300)

What problems to you have with the XAVC footage from the a6300? It works fine on my system. It works even better when converted to XAVC-Intra.

I haven't had a Vegas 12 or 13 crash in a very very long time.

WedVidMan wrote on 7/5/2016, 11:21 PM

Came out of "retirement" to take advantage of Magix's two for one sale, thereby updating from V8 to V13 and V14 later this year. Wife is not too happy, however.

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/22/2017, 10:58 AM

How does a person get an upgrade. I have not been in the loop for some time now but am getting back in. I have not seen any emails about an upgrade so how does one get one? Cost?

xberk wrote on 2/22/2017, 11:15 AM

Upgrade seems to still be here. $249

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/22/2017, 11:23 AM

Okay, I see that. Wow, quite an expensive upgrade this time. Is it that much better than 13 to pay that much?

vkmast wrote on 2/22/2017, 11:27 AM

You should get the same upgrade price ($249 for VPro 14) with a valid S/N here https://support2.magix.com/customer/vegas/upgrade

Is it that much better than 13 to pay that much?

A good question which was much debated.

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/22/2017, 11:33 AM

I am trying the trial first but am finding that it still does not recognize video in some formats from my JVC GY-HM600U camcorder. The QuickTime MPEG2 format. It would only bring in sound and no video. Then I updated Quicktime and now it keeps coming up with a message and won't even load it. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

john_dennis wrote on 2/22/2017, 11:35 AM

I lied.

heg wrote on 2/22/2017, 11:44 AM

I don't

3d87c4 wrote on 2/22/2017, 8:39 PM

I upgraded...didn't see any improvements relevant to my use. It crashed so often, I'm just using V13.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 2/22/2017, 8:49 PM

I'm debating whether to upgrade myself or not. I'm making the transition from PPro CS6 and after alot of struggling, have VP13 running - although depending on the installs I've tried, it's hit or miss whether it actually sees my Quadro FX880M GPU or not (It's both seen and not seen it depending on the install - WTH!?) Is 14 really worth the upgrade? My current editing rig runs PPro silky smooth, Vegas Pro I have to reduce my preview to 1/2 rez to get decent playback - and I still have no idea whether it's using my GPU for playback or not.

Peter_P wrote on 2/23/2017, 3:33 AM

- and I still have no idea whether it's using my GPU for playback or not.

You can check this with the Sensors/GPU Load of the tool GPU-Z.

NickHope wrote on 2/23/2017, 9:03 AM

I am trying the trial first but am finding that it still does not recognize video in some formats from my JVC GY-HM600U camcorder. The QuickTime MPEG2 format. It would only bring in sound and no video. Then I updated Quicktime and now it keeps coming up with a message and won't even load it. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.

Vegas Pro can't decode JVC YUV 4:2:2 AVC footage. One solution is to convert to XAVC Long with Sony Catalyst Browse. Not sure about MPEG-2. You could try rewrapping the footage from .MOV to .MP4 (or maybe .MPG) container with FFmpeg. See this comment and the one following it. I'd be interested to test a file if you have one to share online.

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/23/2017, 9:14 AM

It opens the audio but not the video.

The crazy thing is my cheap Premiere Elements 13 opens it no problem.

NickHope wrote on 2/23/2017, 9:21 AM

It opens the audio but not the video.

The crazy thing is my cheap Premiere Elements 13 opens it no problem.

Please either share a sample file on Google Drive/Dropbox/One Drive/WeTransfer/mega.nz etc. or post MediaInfo and Vegas file properties.

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/23/2017, 9:34 AM

\250G0379_01.MOV
Format                      : MPEG-4
Commercial name             : HDV 720p
Format profile              : QuickTime
Codec ID                    : qt   2007.09 (qt )
File size                   : 28.6 MiB
Duration                    : 12 s 12 ms
Overall bit rate            : 20.0 Mb/s
Encoded date                : UTC 2017-02-22 14:34:39
Tagged date                 : UTC 2017-02-22 14:34:39

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : MPEG Video
Commercial name             : HDV 720p
Format version              : Version 2
Format profile              : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP       : Yes
Format settings, Matrix     : Custom
Format settings, GOP        : M=3, N=12
Codec ID                    : hdv9
Duration                    : 12 s 12 ms
Bit rate                    : 18.3 Mb/s
Width                       : 1 280 pixels
Clean aperture width        : 1 248 pixels
Height                      : 720 pixels
Clean aperture height       : 702 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 16:9
Clean aperture display aspe : 16:9
Frame rate mode             : Constant
Frame rate                  : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Compression mode            : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.331
Time code of first frame    : 03:16:58;08
Time code source            : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed            : Closed
Stream size                 : 26.2 MiB (92%)
Language                    : English
Encoded date                : UTC 2017-02-22 14:34:39
Tagged date                 : UTC 2017-02-22 14:34:39
Color primaries             : BT.709
Transfer characteristics    : BT.709
Matrix coefficients         : BT.709

Marco. wrote on 2/23/2017, 9:39 AM

This is MPEG-2 video in a Quicktime wrapper. To decode QuickTime MPEG-2 it needs a commercial QuickTime plug-in. It cannot be decoded by the free plug-in used in most software.

ingeborgdot wrote on 2/23/2017, 9:43 AM

How much is that? Is there a trial that I can try first?

Cliff Etzel wrote on 2/23/2017, 9:50 AM

- and I still have no idea whether it's using my GPU for playback or not.

You can check this with the Sensors/GPU Load of the tool GPU-Z.

Well, apparently not according to GPUZ which is odd considering before reinstalling, VP13 saw the graphics card. A fresh reinstall seems to have stopped that from occurring this time around. And the trial of VP 14 is the same. PPro CS6 sees the card and is using it for playback and renders. Vegas Pro apparently is still hit and miss on seeing an older nVidia Quadro card

Marco. wrote on 2/23/2017, 10:00 AM

"How much is that? Is there a trial that I can try first?"

In the past there was no trial available. But actually I can't find this certain QuickTime component at all. Seems like Apple removed it.

NickHope wrote on 2/23/2017, 10:00 AM

This appears to be 720x1280 MPEG-2 long-GOP in an MPEG-4 container but with a .MOV extension.

The Vegas file properties (see link in my previous comment) will tell us whether the Quicktime codec (qt7plug.dll) wants to decode it or Vegas' own compoundplug.dll.

If it's Quicktime then try to make compoundplug.dll decode it instead by trying these steps. Open Vegas and try to open the clip after each step:

Rename a clip from *.MOV to *.MP4
Rename C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime to C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTimeRENAMED
Uninstall Quicktime (or do stop 4 first if you already know how to use ffmpeg)
Rewrap a clip from .MOV to .MP4 using ffmpeg (links in my previous comment)
Convert to another format. See section 6 of this post.

OldSmoke wrote on 2/23/2017, 10:15 AM

- and I still have no idea whether it's using my GPU for playback or not.

You can check this with the Sensors/GPU Load of the tool GPU-Z.

Well, apparently not according to GPUZ which is odd considering before reinstalling, VP13 saw the graphics card. A fresh reinstall seems to have stopped that from occurring this time around. And the trial of VP 14 is the same. PPro CS6 sees the card and is using it for playback and renders. Vegas Pro apparently is still hit and miss on seeing an older nVidia Quadro card

Has that card ever worked within Vegas? It seems be outside the spec for Vegas.

Edit: According to Wikipedia,its based on a GT216M GPU which "should" work but nevertheless, wont help much with Vegas at all. Vegas uses only the OpenCL capabilities for preview and that card isn't powerful enough to make much of a difference. Are you using Quadro drivers for it? Maybe it will work with GForce drivers?

Spec for Vegas from Magix website:

NVIDIA

Requires a CUDA-enabled graphics card and driver 270.xx or later.

GeForce GPUs: GeForce GTX 4xx Series or higher (or GeForce GT 2xx Series or higher with driver 297.03 later).

Quadro GPUs: Quadro 600 or higher (or Quadro FX 1700 or higher with driver 297.03 or later).

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