Upgraded from MSP12 to VMSP14 - export targets, why no X264 and X265?

Funks wrote on 3/6/2017, 4:12 PM

Hello All,

Was fairly happy with MSP12 (Suite) from Sony and decided to support MAGIX and upgrade to the MSP14 (Suite). Will Magix be adding support for both X264 and X265 programs as an external renderer instead of the limited Sony AVC/ACC and MainConcept AVC/ACC Renderers (the later only supporting old video cards?)

My new workstation / somewhat gaming system has an NVIDIA GTX1070, and a Ryzen 7-1700 processor. Would be nice to be able to get maximum performance for both - either strictly CPU assisted (X264 and X265 scales really well with the 8 Cores / 16 Threads) , or OpenCL 2.0/SPIR-V GPU-assisted rendering (on new Video Cards based on Pascal and Maxwell Nvidia GPUs that supports Vulkan).

Seems like the render profiles needs to be cleaned up a lot, has a lot of old formats in there that aren't being used anymore (memory stick?) or should be made custom. Maybe simplify it to something like what Handbrake did? Currently feels too noisy (too may options which can be best converted to custom profiles) and needs to focus more on modern H.264, H.265, VP9 MP4, MKV formats which basically all consumer devices nowadays can play accelerated.

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Musicvid wrote on 3/7/2017, 9:24 AM

X264 and x265 are open source GPL solutions (look it up).

Vegas is commercially licensed solution with all of the legal and contractual restrictions that go with it.

IOW i wouldn't hold my breath...

Funks wrote on 3/7/2017, 10:06 AM

X264 been available with a Commercial License since 2012 for embedding into commercial programs (alongside the GPL licensed version for OpenSource programs). available from x264 LLC.

https://licensing.x264.org/en/

Either way, can't profiles be built that passes off work to the x264 executable (without linking to the DLL and using API directly)? User would be responsible for downloading x264 binaries. Or maybe support cineform as an output codec, then the user can transcode it using x264, x265/HEVC, VP9, or AV1.

Pretty sure the output that X264 creates will be better than either encoders (Sony AVC , Mainconcept AVC) currently available specially at lower bitrates. I don't believe either one of the bundled renderers have been updated since the 2012 version which leads me to believe that it's not getting any more active development. For example, the Mainconcept encoder only works with deprecated NVIDIA video cards and AMD cards). The Sony AVC CPU encoder doesn't produce output on par with X264 at lower bit rates, and doesn't scale nearly as well as X264 on multiple cores, its Intel QuickSync support is also quite broken from a practical perspective (requires a monitor be plugged into the onboard video?).

Marco. wrote on 3/7/2017, 1:05 PM

"Or maybe support cineform as an output codec"

Actually Movie Studio supports CineForm export if you have the CineForm codec installed. I sometimes use it.

Funks wrote on 3/7/2017, 1:22 PM

I hope Magix gives the users a road map on how they are planning to modernize this application going forward. Upgrading from the Sony Vegas Movie Studio 12 to 14 gave me the feeling that they just smeared some new "Lipstick on a Pig" and the archaic-ness of it all is still there.

My assumption is that some youtubers want to use this for creating content for their channel, I personally just use it to create home video's for family activities (snowboarding, hiking, and etc). I like the editor part of the application though.

Marco. wrote on 3/7/2017, 1:50 PM

"Upgrading from the Sony Vegas Movie Studio 12 to 14 gave me the felling that they just smeared some new "Lipstick …""

Going from Movie Studio Platinum 12 to Movie Studio Platinum 14, if you think that
pairing stereoscopic 3D subclips, support of additional 3D multistream formats, support for automatic 3D pairing of single stream clips, new Color Match plug-in, new trimming and fading controls, new scrubbing, new proxy workflow, support to simultaneously edit several media's properties at the same time, crossfade several Events simultaneously, new timeline thumbnail display of animated generated media ,new GUI design, direct social media upload, new Vignette FX, 4k display support, new multicam feature, audio track audio level meters, trimmer hover scrub, improved RAM preview, 200 video and 200 audio tracks, bundling Music Maker and NewBlueFX VMS14 complete
is a lipstick refurbish only, then – yes.

I'm of another opinion.

vkmast wrote on 3/7/2017, 2:27 PM

As there are existing users there that seem not to have received upgrade newsletters, potential upgraders should realise of course that several of those improvements apply only to Magix Vegas Movie Studio 14 Platinum and quite a few were already included in Sony MS 13 Platinum (though not in v.12). Also v.14 does not have the Expand track layers option, video resampling (promised to be brought back in future), no alternative brightness option of GUI any more. A Magix Vegas team member says about the next update that he "would imagine that we would release something in the next couple months, but nothing is imminent right now".

Marco. wrote on 3/7/2017, 2:58 PM

Thanks for the hint. I edited the post to make clear it is about differences of Platinum versions only.

Funks wrote on 3/7/2017, 4:25 PM

Thanks for the responses, looking at the product stack - Magix has 6 product lines for video editing (overlapping price points), I hope they figure out their Video Editing strategy then re-stack, deprecate and reshuffle development resources to something a bit more coherent and modernize the Vegas lineup and hopefully, address the archaic parts of the application in the future.
 

NickHope wrote on 3/7/2017, 8:59 PM

X264 been available with a Commercial License since 2012 for embedding into commercial programs (alongside the GPL licensed version for OpenSource programs). available from x264 LLC.

https://licensing.x264.org/en/

And here is the licensing page for x265:

https://x265.com/about/license-x265-and-uhdcode-for-your-product-or-service/

TMPGEnc commercial programs have had x264 encoding for years and now license x265 too.

Would be wonderful to see these encoders in Vegas 15.

robbif2 wrote on 3/9/2017, 8:25 PM

"Upgrading from the Sony Vegas Movie Studio 12 to 14 gave me the felling that they just smeared some new "Lipstick …""

Going from Movie Studio Platinum 12 to Movie Studio Platinum 14, if you think that
pairing stereoscopic 3D subclips, support of additional 3D multistream formats, support for automatic 3D pairing of single stream clips, new Color Match plug-in, new trimming and fading controls, new scrubbing, new proxy workflow, support to simultaneously edit several media's properties at the same time, crossfade several Events simultaneously, new timeline thumbnail display of animated generated media ,new GUI design, direct social media upload, new Vignette FX, 4k display support, new multicam feature, audio track audio level meters, trimmer hover scrub, improved RAM preview, 200 video and 200 audio tracks, bundling Music Maker and NewBlueFX VMS14 complete
is a lipstick refurbish only, then – yes.

I'm of another opinion.

Wow! Well said.
I'm a SMS 11 Suite user who installed 14 Suite but still in production with 11.
I'm even more encouraged thanks to your listing all the features/improvements in a single paragraph!
THANKS!