VEGAS 16 lost the ability to import MJPEG

nineofkings wrote on 2/7/2019, 9:21 PM

Hi all, new forum member here. I'm currently trialing Vegas Pro Edit 16, considering upgrading from 14. Unfortunately, something is weird with file imports; my handy-dandy MJPEG .movs, which I use as a lightweight intermediate codec, no longer import! The only options this gives me are interframe codecs, which don't play nice with stabilization or editing in general, or the enormous Magix ProRes (ahem, Magix Intermediate) which takes up too much space and makes no sense for the plain DSLR video I'll be using.

I can import and edit these files like a dream in Vegas 14. Why won't they import in 16? Is there a codec I can install, or copy-paste from the 14 folder to the 16 folder? This is a major workflow issue. Thanks for your consideration.

System info:
Windows 7 (64-bit)
Vostro 3360 (old, yeah)
Intel Core i7
6GB RAM
Intel 4000 graphics

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Musicvid wrote on 2/7/2019, 10:23 PM

MJPEG is mostly deprecated. Try 720p mpeg-2 for your quick prerenders.. It appears in a variety of wrappers in Vegas, or look at Magic YUV in RGB mode, which is intraframe, and 87% smaller than uncompressed, and will give you a true 1:1 intermediate.

john_dennis wrote on 2/7/2019, 10:27 PM

Discussed recently.

If you consider changing intermediates Magic YUV RGB and UTVideo rise to the top.

XAVC-I works well, but not lossless. Neither is MJPEG

nineofkings wrote on 2/8/2019, 12:04 PM

Thanks for the suggestions! MagicYUV looks quite interesting. Unfortunately it doesn't really give me a file size advantage over Magix Intermediate. One of the things I like about MJPEG is it's small size for high subjective visual quality. A jpeg at 95-100 quality is almost indistinguishable (visually) from lossless.

I'm shooting on an entry-level DSLR and editing on a laptop. My camera spits out an interframe-compressed video that's maybe 40MB for 10 seconds. With MJPEG, that grows to maybe 60-80MB, a very fair tradeoff. With MagicYUV or Magix Intermediate, it's more like 300MB. That type of file size inflation is the result of an excessive level of detail relative to the source, in my opinion. It's like making a WAV from an MP3 - you don't actually gain any quality, you just render the artifacts more accurately. If I were shooting in 10-bit or at a very high bitrate I'd see the benefit, but in this case I don't.

I see mention in one of the threads john_dennis linked that Morgan MJPEG can work with Vegas. I'm hesitant to spend money on an MJPEG codec in Anno Domini 2019. Perhaps I will try ffdshow and report back. Or, alternatively, even all-i-frame h.264, which sounds insane but would still be better than what the camera produces natively.

Musicvid wrote on 2/8/2019, 1:32 PM

If you install a codec pack like ffdshow, you may lose the ability to open some native file formats in Vegas that worked previously.. We cannot help you with that here except with the preemptory advice not to do it. Goes double for k-lite.

A really sweet lossy intermediate is UT422.

Rather than a lossless intermediate, would a smaller proxy like 720p mpeg-2 serve your purpose? You just swap them out with the originals at render time.

nineofkings wrote on 2/8/2019, 3:01 PM

Oof, thank you for saving me from that nightmare, I wasn't aware those codecs would overwrite existing ones.

Using a proxy is a good idea, but I'd like to be able to use stabilization. I'm shooting on a monopod and sometimes I like to pivot it around for slider-like or jib-like motion, and the stabilizer helps keep the motion constant. Stabilization from a proxy wouldn't "transfer" to the original clip at render time, would it? What about clip fx like color correction?
Thanks again for all your help as I try to squeeze a good workflow out of this setup.

Eagle Six wrote on 2/8/2019, 3:31 PM

@nineofkings Stabilization, color corrections, LUTs, and other Fx's will be present in your renders. The built in proxy feature of Vegs Pro will automatically view when you drag the clip to the timeline. Vegas will automatically use the original clip for renders. What you need to manually set, is the Preview quality. Setting the Preview quality to Draft or Preview will force the Preview window display to look at the proxy (720p) and will run smoother and faster than larger resolution originals which may lag or playback at less than their recorded speed. Setting the Preview quality to Good or Best will force the Preview window display to look at the original source media.

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Musicvid wrote on 2/8/2019, 5:54 PM

That I did not know, since I've done proxies manually for about 15 years. I no longer have production demands, so there are a few things in Magix Vegas I need to look at and learn.

Thanks again, Eagle Six.

vkmast wrote on 2/8/2019, 6:18 PM

"What's new in version 13.0: A new Automatically create video proxies for Ultra HD media setting on the Preferences > Video tab allows you to choose whether automatically create video proxy files when adding 4K video to your project." (Online Help file "Creating proxy files for high-definition editing".)

nineofkings wrote on 2/9/2019, 7:56 PM

Thanks all for your help. The proxy feature works like a charm

Musicvid wrote on 2/9/2019, 8:00 PM

Feel free to mark one of the replies as a solution if you wish.