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walter-i. wrote on 10/26/2021, 3:34 PM

What kind of source material do you have?

BUDDY-WOODGEARD wrote on 10/26/2021, 8:51 PM

I am nothing like you guys... here we have a 'mountain' that people have came to stand on for a century. I take gobs of pics and some video clips.. I am at junior high level :)
I am trying to make a video of the place through the seasons integrating video and stills.

This one the sky was perfect and I captured a plane flying over the sun as it was setting


Just trying to put together one great pics.. people here love this magic 'mountain :)
pics
https://get.google.com/albumarchive/107589503706723408294/album/AF1QipNcXHn89KA7-kmypu5Tl5cbKFFRpZRZNXvHtTFF?authKey=CM6X-v_Mzti_JA

My animation is jerky ... I think I bought multiple copies of vegas and paintshop.. master of none...

 

RogerS wrote on 10/27/2021, 2:06 AM

Try MagixAVC in 1080p to start with.

Former user wrote on 11/11/2021, 9:14 PM

@BUDDY-WOODGEARD Hi, I have over 350 vids on YT,

I use MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 Internet UHD 2160p 29.97 fps (NVENC), using the default template settings.

but for a long time i used MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 Internet UHD 1080p 29.97 fps (NVENC), people in the comments say that the 2160 UHD is top quality viewed on YT but that the 1080p HD was more than good enough,

Sometimes if I use the one with (NVENC) at the end pics or text i add in the timeline can get a bit messed up, so i use the one that's above those, same size just hasn't got the (NVENC) at the end,

(NVENC) is hardware/GPU accelerated so is a little faster, the other is a little slower but is more consistent & gives a perfect result normally with pics & text inc within mp4 media. (for me anyway)

you want to pick the format, bit rate, image size & fps that most matches your imported media, but it can be rendered out differently, if your pics/media are only 1080x1920 rendering out at 2160x3840 won't improve the quality,

The media i import from my phone is 3840x2160 x 29.97-ish,

my Project properties

& i find that using the MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 plays back well if i reimport rendered out clips back into Vegas.

I started using the 2160p early this yr, you can see for yourself the quality of my older 1080p vids

https://www.youtube.com/c/Gidjoiner

 

Musicvid wrote on 11/12/2021, 5:29 PM

(NVENC) is hardware/GPU accelerated so is a little faster, the other is a little slower but is more consistent & gives a perfect result normally with pics & text inc within mp4 media. (for me anyway)

If you are saying that the machine encoder is faster but with lower quality, I agree and that is the consensus here. On the other hand, Youtube's upstream processing is so bad as to make such distinctions not as great as they might seem.

Vimeo still has the edge, even more so when the creator allows us to download the actual program source.

VikingPL wrote on 12/4/2021, 3:57 AM

For dynamic scenes (like playing with a dog in a winter scene) and when there are many or there are long camera movements like e.g. panoramic shots when camera moves / turns (even slowly) from one view to another, I always strongly suggest recording and publishing material with "double" frame rate e.g. 50 fps in Europe or 60 fps in the USA. The file size will be twice as large, but the movie will be much smoother than in standard frame rate. For me Full HD resolution 1080p with 50fps frame rate is enough for video sharing in the Internet.

Regards - Viking 😈

EricLNZ wrote on 12/4/2021, 4:58 AM

The file size will be twice as large,

That's not the case. File size is dependent on bitrate, not framerate or image size, although with larger image sizes one usually goes for a higher bitrate as there are more pixels to carry the image.

 

Former user wrote on 12/4/2021, 6:19 AM

@VikingPL You're right filming at a higher frame rate gives better viewing on moving cameras but it's not the frame rate that increases the file size,

@EricLNZ  Agreed, I use the default settings, they're good enough for me, if i choose 59.94 rather than 29.97 it has a higher bitrate & so the rendered file is bigger,

Here i rendered a 1m vid, I chose the default 1920 x 1080 29,97fps which has a bitrate at 24,000 x 12,000,

& i rendered the same clip at 1920 x 1080 59.95fps but i changed the default bitrate to match the 29.97fps one 24,000 x 12,000,

the rendered files are very similar sizes, I wouldn't normally do this tho, pointless having a high fame rate to get better res but then reducing the bitrate.

Some forums etc. have a file upload size limit, so sometimes i tweak the bitrate to get a smaller file size but that reduces the quality, so that then it becomes finding the right balance between file size & acceptable viewing quality. That or render at a small resolution which will have a lower bitrate already

misohoza wrote on 12/4/2021, 7:37 AM

Interesting topic. I also use the default 1080p template. But when I download my own video from YouTube I see the bitrate of the video is greatly reduced usually to 2000.

Is there a point to keep the original video bitrate high like in the magix templates when YouTube is going to bring it down to a bare minimum with its processing?

VikingPL wrote on 12/4/2021, 8:45 AM

The file size will be twice as large,

That's not the case. File size is dependent on bitrate, not framerate or image size, although with larger image sizes one usually goes for a higher bitrate as there are more pixels to carry the image.

 

You are right @EricLNZ and @Former user that the bitrate is the key value, but probably there is a dependency between the bitrate adjusted by Vegas in VBR mode and the frame rate chosen by the user, because when I only doubled frame rate in the project properties while not changing the bitrate range in rendering options, the rendered media file was more than twice larger. Of course the bitrate of the result file was higher too (at least twice), but as I wrote - I didn't touch the bitrate settings in this test.

And I think (basing on my experience) that Google does the same in their YouTube service - when you upload a high quality video source with a high bitrate, they'll always cut the bitrate to some (in their meaning) "standard" value anyway. But when you upload the same source rendered in a higher frame rate, the bitrate will also be set to higher value in the YouTube postprocessing algorithm (however also cut). This doesn't guarantee better quality of the final result on the YouTube, but one can get a subjective impression that the quality is better because the motion in the movie is smoother. 😉

That's why I mentioned the frame rate not the bitrate - YouTube always cuts higher bitrates. 😠

Musicvid wrote on 12/4/2021, 10:03 AM

Etched in stone tablets:

File Size (MB) = Bitrate (Mbps) x Time (Sec) x .125

Also see https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/wagging-the-dog-effects-of-hyperoptimal-youtube-upload-bitrates--114098/

vkmast wrote on 12/4/2021, 10:34 AM

For more of the stone tablets please see his sig. 👍

Musicvid wrote on 12/4/2021, 10:49 AM

Unfortunately, some of them were etched in soft stone and are crumbling from age and weather...