@Musicvid, Does this mean that Vegas Pro does not offer a DVD compliant template WITHOUT the use of  "DVD Architect"? I THINK this is where I need to start. If what Styler is complaining about is true, can you or anyone point me to a DVD compliant template, in Vegas Pro, that does not require DVDA?

I would think that anyone that understands DVD Spec's could help? Or, anyone having knowledge of templates in Vegas Pro that meet DVD Specs.

Based on the media info I posted here, I have no idea if these file types I am trying to author in Styler are technically dvd compliant or not, DvDStyler not withstanding.

To the later, I have reached out to the DVDStyler folks. I was just hoping someone could answer the questions that apply to Vegas Pro. IF I run across someone here that has DvdStyler experience, I'll count that as an extra blessing.

The REAL question here is this: Can Vegas Pro 17 create an Mpeg 2 file, that would be DVD Spec compliant, without the use of DVDA?

See if this helps somewhat.

Does this mean that Vegas Pro does not offer a DVD compliant template WITHOUT the use of  "DVD Architect"? 

No, it's just that specific authoring softwares are more stringent than the overall spec. And DVD Architect is one of those. Files that don't recompress in TMPGENC often do in DVDA.

@vkmast, Thanks for the reply. I read that before posting. Here is a screen shot of the setting I used:

Can one expect a file, encoded by THIS template, to be DVD Compliant, without it being rendered under DVDA?

@Musicvid, you said: " Although compliance with DVD specs is pretty easy to accomplish, and you already have, compatibility with various authoring software are an entirely different story"

Who would have thought. I was kind of thinking this was the whole purpose of a DVD specification, (that around 10 companies I see), came together to develop. O well, perhaps I am giving to much credit, as to the adherence of the DVD specification, to software developers. Maybe some developers just do not understand what a uniform specification means.

I thank you for your information. It at least let me know I tried to use the correct template. I'll now sit back and wait for further instructions. Either here on the great Vegas Pro form, or, The Dvd Styler form of which I have also inquired.

I forbid you to pass from this life without FIRST uploading all of your knowledge into my brain! 😁

Thanks again.

@crown2020

"At this late stage of DVD-Video (and my life), I wouldn't struggle with 'pass-thru'." he said as he glanced over at hundreds of DVDs and Blu-rays that he burned, but never watches.

I would render out of Vegas Pro 17 with this template and let the authoring software render the compliant files for DVD.

The AVI file is lossless and has these characteristics:

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\John\Desktop\Render\DVDStyler.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Format profile                           : OpenDML
File size                                : 85.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 49 min 3 s
Overall bit rate                         : 250 Mb/s
Encoded by                               : John Dennis
TCOD                                     : 0
TCDO                                     : 29439410000

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : RGB
Codec ID                                 : 0x00000000
Codec ID/Info                            : Basic Windows bitmap format. 1, 4 and 8 bpp versions are palettised. 16, 24 and 32bpp contain raw RGB samples
Duration                                 : 49 min 3 s
Bit rate                                 : 249 Mb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 3:2
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : RGB
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 24.000
Stream size                              : 85.2 GiB (99%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little / Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 49 min 3 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 539 MiB (1%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 250  ms (7.49 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration             : 250  ms

I don't care about the file size. I've got lot's of disk space.

DVDStyler produces a DVD with these characteristics:

General
Complete name                            : F:\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
Format                                   : MPEG-PS
File size                                : 1 024 MiB
Duration                                 : 17 min 10 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 8 333 kb/s

Video
ID                                       : 224 (0xE0)
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
Format profile                           : Main@Main
Format settings                          : CustomMatrix
Format settings, BVOP                    : No
Format settings, Matrix                  : Custom
Format settings, GOP                     : N=18
Duration                                 : 17 min 10 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 8 000 kb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.772
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00
Time code source                         : Group of pictures header
GOP, Open/Closed                         : Open
GOP, Open/Closed of first frame          : Closed
Stream size                              : 980 MiB (96%)

Audio
ID                                       : 189 (0xBD)-128 (0x80)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Muxing mode                              : DVD-Video
Duration                                 : 17 min 10 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Delay relative to video                  : -5 ms
Stream size                              : 23.6 MiB (2%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

Menu

The whole process took < half of real time to render the uncompressed AVI and < 1/8 real time to output an ISO from DVDStyler on my machine.

I'm refreshing the image of my machine now.

@john_dennis Thank You! One can not get more precise than these instructions. I will give this a try. I appreciate your efforts. Nice little tutorial.

Why would DVD Styler compress it down to a 1Gig file when a DVD can hold over 4Gig? Seems the quality would be better at 4Gig than 1Gig. And the original file he mentioned is only 2.2 Gig which is plenty small for a DVD. I think I'd be questioning DVD Styler instead of the original file.

@jetdv

"Why would DVD Styler compress it down to a 1Gig file when a DVD can hold over 4Gig? Seems the quality would be better at 4Gig than 1Gig."

If you're referring to my 17 min 10 s encode from DVDStyler, it's because the Overall bit rate: 8 333 kb/s is approaching the 9500 kb/s limit imposed by the DVD specification. There's little to be gained, but there is a compatibility risk for going too close to the upper DVD bit rate limit.

@john_dennis, I didn't look that closely. I thought you took your 85Gig 49 minute file and it shrunk it to 1 Gig. Didn't realize your second listing was only 17 minutes long.

@jetdv

Like many things in life, it's a shade more complicated than it appears at first glance. The 49 minute video file was divided into 1,048,544 KB files by the authoring software because of the limitation in the DVD file system.

I just grabbed the first of three VOBs to show the Mediainfo of the encode.

Remember all the discussion of how to stitch VOBs back together about ten years ago?

@john_dennis, Yes, I understand the actual DVD files are broken into 1Gig segments. That doesn't mean the original MPG file is. I just didn't notice the MPG file was 17 minutes versus the 49 minute AVI file. My first thought when I saw the 1Gig file was... Are they trying to play that as a menu? - which is limited to 1Gig.