which settings for rendering iphone movies (1920x1080x59,96) to mp4

viitaan wrote on 11/26/2018, 5:28 AM

hi all,

I've been rendering iphone movies (1920x1080x59,96) to mp4 with variable success. if the video has a lot of motion scenes, the intel hevc I've been using starts to suck.

what would you use to keep the original very high quality but compress to medium file size (small size is not critical in my case!)?

I'm on win10 64-bit, Movie Studio 15, build 116.

cheers!

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j-v wrote on 11/26/2018, 8:27 AM

My first advice would be upgrade first and then come back

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viitaan wrote on 11/26/2018, 10:05 AM

Upgrade to what? Here are v 16 release notes and they don’t seem relevant:

Released on 27 August 2018, Vegas Pro 16 has some new features including file backup, motion tracking, improved video stabilization, 360° editing and HDR support.

Is v 16 a must?

j-v wrote on 11/26/2018, 10:19 AM

Not that I know , but I think you did not follow the link I gave you

Watch ;

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Musicvid wrote on 11/26/2018, 10:58 AM

what would you use to keep the original very high quality but compress to medium file size.

Try Handbrake. It is optimized to do just this. It is an encoder, not an editor.

vkmast wrote on 11/26/2018, 11:06 AM

Actually if we'd been pedantic, we would've advised him to update, not upgrade.

j-v wrote on 11/26/2018, 11:24 AM

Actually if we'd been pedantic, we would've advised him to update, not upgrade.

Sorry, my fault. 😮😮
Of course I meant to update, like the video showed.

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viitaan wrote on 11/26/2018, 11:52 AM

I'll update to this when I get back home on friday:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/movie-studio-15-update-3-build-146-157--113687/

but, why am I updating? is there a new codec you recommend or are you saying that quality is higher in general in the new build?

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@musicvid: so handbrake seems to be a converter. should I first run the vids raw through handbrake into format x (which?) and then edit in vegas, and THEN render into something suitable (what?)?

vkmast wrote on 11/26/2018, 12:48 PM

but, why am I updating?

Generally, the updates (new builds) contain some/many important bug fixes and some/many added features.

viitaan wrote on 11/26/2018, 1:22 PM

sure. always update. however, not knowing anything about video editing and rendering, I was expecting the following sort of response: "use codec xyz (or whatever the renderers are called) at settings xyz for best results in making an iphone video into a respectable mp4". but, I guess this is not that simple, right?

Musicvid wrote on 11/26/2018, 1:44 PM

@musicvid: so handbrake seems to be a converter. should I first run the vids raw through handbrake into format x (which?) and then edit in vegas, and THEN render into something suitable (what?)?

No, Handbrake is the destination.

what would you use to keep the original very high quality but compress to medium file size.

Thats what you still want, isn't it? That is the purpose for which i suggested Handbrake...

😲

j-v wrote on 11/26/2018, 3:27 PM

if the video has a lot of motion scenes, the intel hevc I've been using starts to suck...........I'm on win10 64-bit, Movie Studio 15, build 116.

This is confusing me. AFAIK that is a plain Movie Studio build.
With me that version does not have the Intel HEVC codec.

My Platinum version has

 

I was expecting the following sort of response: "use codec xyz (or whatever the renderers are called) at settings xyz for best results in making an iphone video into a respectable mp4". but, I guess this is not that simple, right?

When we don't know exactly with what version of the software you are working, it is very difficult to give a simple advice.
Because with me the in VMS Platinum there is a big difference between the velocity of the renders Intel and Magix HEVC with both the nearly te same result.

 

Last changed by j-v on 11/26/2018, 3:29 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

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vkmast wrote on 11/26/2018, 3:49 PM

Build 116 is a VMS 15 Platinum build (update 1).

viitaan wrote on 11/26/2018, 8:23 PM

I think I'm now up to date: Movie Studio 15.0 Platinum: version 15, build 157. correct? at least the updater did not do anything.

 

viitaan wrote on 11/26/2018, 8:26 PM

@musicvid I plan to use Vegas for editing and effects. If handbrake is the destination, how do I prepare the edited file for it in Vegas?

Musicvid wrote on 11/26/2018, 8:40 PM

By rendering a lossless digital intermediate in Vegas and encoding for delivery in Handbrake.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/uncompressed-vs-sony-yuv-vs-magic-yuv-the-shootout--113650/

This will give you a worthy comparison of how well your motion video holds up with different codecs.. Handbrake also supports hardware encoders, which I would avoid if quality is the primary goal.

3POINT wrote on 11/26/2018, 10:47 PM

hi all,

I've been rendering iphone movies (1920x1080x59,96) to mp4 with variable success.

That's because your iPhone recordings are variable framerate.

EricLNZ wrote on 11/27/2018, 12:50 AM

I gather you want to edit your iPhone movies in VMS then export as mp4.

Personally I'd go a different route and convert the iPhone files in Handbrake and use the Handbrake mp4 files in VMS. You then shouldn't have any problems exporting in mp4 from VMS. If you want guidance on Handbrake settings tell us the bitrate of your iPhone files.

Lastly you haven't told us the intended destination of your edited production. Is it for TV viewing, pc viewing or YouTube, Vimeo, Facebook etc?

viitaan wrote on 11/27/2018, 4:06 AM

ok now here's something my puny brain can understand, tx!
Step 1. take out iphone videos from iphone
Step 2. convert raw in handbrake
Step 3. edit in vms
Step 4. render from VMS into mp4 or something else more suitable (is another format preferred?).

the target audience is just relatives watching vids of a two year old. however, the videos are edited quite a lot and there's soundtrack etc so not just random candid camera takes warranting random treatment.

so far I have wanted to keep the filesize 100 megs per minute. if this is not achievable, I'm very happy to say triple it. I prefer high quality "for the future generations".
 

EricLNZ wrote on 11/27/2018, 5:19 AM

Mp4 is okay and 100 mb/min is around 14,000 mbps bitrate using ac3 audio, according to a quick calculation. So achievable. But what bitrate are your iPhone files?

viitaan wrote on 11/27/2018, 1:42 PM

this is the info I get from windows right click details: 1920x1080, data rate: 5198kbps, total bitrate: 5298kbps, frame rate 59,96 fps. do you need more info and how can I get it?

j-v wrote on 11/27/2018, 2:27 PM

We come very close to a good advice when you deliver this all under B ( without pt. 5) and this for the MediaInfo.

Last changed by j-v on 11/27/2018, 2:29 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

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EricLNZ wrote on 11/27/2018, 3:56 PM

5198kbps, total bitrate: 5298kbps,

If this is your true file bitrate then you are recording at a low bitrate which could be part of your problems with fast movement when rendering. What other options does your iPhone have for recording settings?

viitaan wrote on 12/5/2018, 11:15 PM

iphone7 has very few options: 1) 720p HD at 30 fps, 2) 1080p at 30 fps, or 3) 1080p at 60 fps, or 4) 4K at 30 fps. I have been using 1080/60.

viitaan wrote on 12/8/2018, 12:06 AM

ok I've now compiled all data as per j-v's request and will paste it below:

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1. Movie studio 15.0 platinum build 116 
2. Win 10 home v 1803
3. iphone 7
4. played on pc from hard disk or played from google drive over network

MEDIAINFO:
General
Complete name                            : E:\images\aura\aura pics\edit new\incoming\november 23\mov\IMG_5179.MOV
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File size                                : 109 MiB
Duration                                 : 40 s 58 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 22.8 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-02 08:51:05
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-02 08:51:45
Writing library                          : Apple QuickTime
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com.apple.quicktime.make                 : Apple
com.apple.quicktime.model                : iPhone 7
com.apple.quicktime.software             : 12.0.1
com.apple.quicktime.creationdate         : 2018-12-02T10:51:04+0200

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
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Bit rate                                 : 22.6 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
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Minimum frame rate                       : 30.000 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 60.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.182
Stream size                              : 108 MiB (100%)
Title                                    : Core Media Video
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-02 08:51:05
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-02 08:51:45
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 40 s 57 ms
Source duration                          : 40 s 124 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 98.1 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel layout                           : C
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 480 KiB (0%)
Source stream size                       : 480 KiB (0%)
Title                                    : Core Media Audio
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-02 08:51:05
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-02 08:51:45

Other #1
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Bit rate mode                            : VBR

Other #2
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 40 s 58 ms
Bit rate mode                            : CBR

VEGAS FILE PROPERTIES

General
  Name: IMG_5348.MOV
  Folder: E:\images\aura\aura pics\edit new\incoming\november 23\mov
  Type: AVC
  Size: 144,16 MB (147 622 810 bytes)
  Created: perjantai 7. joulukuuta 2018, 14.19.01
  Modified: torstai 6. joulukuuta 2018, 10.16.44
  Accessed: perjantai 7. joulukuuta 2018, 14.19.01
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 00.00.51,448, 59,963 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
  Audio: 00.00.51,448, 44 100 Hz; Mono, AAC

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\Movie Studio Platinum 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.