We are now seeing that Sony is about to release a new 4k - 8k "XEVC" CODEC based on H.265 (HEVC)
We are also hearing that Sony is about to release a new 8k Handycam at CES 2019 that uses this new CODEC.
What is plan for Vegas 16 supporting resolutions above 4k in the near future? I wouldn't expect that to be a major hurdle for Vegas programmers. Can you give us a timeline for 6k or 8k implementation?
CT
I would think a feature like that, overhauling the max resolution the engine supports, would be something they'd want to save for a major version change, so don't count on it coming to 16. I don't speak with any knowledge on the subject, but it seems something like that would require extensive testing (just an uneducated guess...), and I would imagine they are currently focusing on making sure the new features they have added to 16 are operating as smoothly as they can (look at all the upgrades they've added to HDR, motion tracking, storyboards, stabilization, etc). Along with squashing bugs, all that probably has them pretty busy when it comes to 16. I'm sure they're listening to requests when it comes to planning the Vegas Pro 17 roadmap... and you are not the first to request a raise on the max resolution cap. With the 360 videos exceeding 4k resolution, there is now chunk of Vegas' market that is being held back by that limitation, so I'd imagine they are aware of that. These new 8k cameras releasing will only light that fire under them even more.
Next summer (if past release schedules are anything to go by), you might start hearing some buzz about it in Vegas Pro 17, but don't hold your breath in the mean time. They could surprise us, but I wouldn't count on it.
I would hope that the Vegas folks will jump on 8k now as CES 2019 is two weeks away and with Sony releasing an 8k camera using XEVC 8k HEVC, it would be bad if Vegas was left out of the party. If the camera is anounced in two weeks it will probably it the streets in March.
Cliff, I'd say your are a little ahead of the curve.
So early, in fact, that no one has come forth with anything to suggest an improved 8k viewing experience over 4k HDR on anything less than theater-size screens and viewing distances; that is, notwithstanding the daunting challenges of hardware consumer delivery and streaming bandwidth and compression.
Read This!
https://www.atsc.org/newsletter/atsc-3-0-where-we-stand/
And This!
https://www.pcmag.com/article/358604/what-is-8k-should-you-buy-a-new-tv-or-wait
Keep it on the back burner, though; you are probably young enough that you'll see it. Until then, your most universal delivery options are still HD.
Do you plan to produce, or become a cutting-edge hobbyist?
I ALREADY can't edit RED 8K footage in vegas. Going on 3 years now. 😰
Cliff, I'd say your are a little ahead of the curve.
So early, in fact, that no one has come forth with anything to suggest an improved 8k viewing experience over 4k HDR on anything less than theater-size screens and viewing distances; that is, notwithstanding the daunting challenges of hardware consumer delivery and streaming bandwidth and compression.
Read This!
https://www.atsc.org/newsletter/atsc-3-0-where-we-stand/
And This!
https://www.pcmag.com/article/358604/what-is-8k-should-you-buy-a-new-tv-or-wait
Keep it on the back burner, though; you are probably young enough that you'll see it. Until then, your most universal delivery options are still HD.
Do you plan to produce, or become a cutting-edge hobbyist?
I think it's "Sony" that is ahead of the curve...hehe.
Yeah, so if the rumors hold true, Sony will announce a new 8k TV screen series and a brand new consumer 8k camcorder to go with them at CES 2019 in a week. So, it looks like the electronics companies are using 2019 to make a big 8k push before the Tokyo Olympics the following year.
Sony's new "XEVC" CODEC is specifically ready for 8k and even includes a new 8k compressed raw option inside that new spec.
Iv the Vegas team is working on this with Sony (XEVC support) than I would guess that they are under NDA until CES starts. Maybe they can talk about it after that? (or, maybe they are unaware that this new Sony 8k Handycam or Alpha camera is coming?) I dont know, I'm just throwing darts at the dart board in a dark room.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vegas can't do 8k resolution but Premiere can today?
CT
So, it looks like the electronics companies are using 2019 to make a big 8k push before the Tokyo Olympics the following year.
Or a teeny splash that becomes a ripple 8-10 years later. History repeats itself. Same city, same Olympics, different decade.
As history tell us. Sony/Magix always late to support new features. Maybe 1-2 yrs from now Vegas may start support 8K.. To me, I rather want to see high quality 4K 60P and or edit friendly codec for 5/6K format over 8K. The example I have is the GH5 5K h265 is so freaking good but the problem is not editable in its native form. I would love if camera manufacture give us 5K or 6K with ALL I codec rather then 8K. Maybe 3-5 yrs from now 8k workable as computer technology and softwares advanced further.
In my opinion 8K is dead in the water because the broadcast people will never support the required bandwidth.
JJK
In my opinion 8K is dead in the water because the broadcast people will never support the required bandwidth.
JJK
From the link seven posts up, this is where we stand with changeover to 4K broadcast in the states, effectively putting the 8k discussion in a coma for a very long time.
As for a full switchover, that will be a long time if and when it even happens. Since this isn’t a mandatory switch, broadcasters can continue to use ATSC 1.0 for as long as they like. Even on a station-by-station basis, with the mandatory five-year period that stations must offer ATSC 1.0 signals, a station that started broadcasting the new standard in 2018 wouldn’t be able to drop ATSC 1.0 entirely until 2023.
8k BROADCAST is a long way out, but people are shooting and editing 8K today
Fro some reason, NHK in Japan is trying to push hard into 8K broadcast. Some of the Japanese companies want to make the Tokyo Olympics the first 8K-recorded games. (even if not broadcast that way) If the Sony CES 2019 rumor is true and they are about to release a new 8k consumer Handycam,....that's pretty damn stunning to me. I suspect Sony is going to try and market like this:
Sony's new 8k TV's are incredible! What?...You don't have any 8k content to watch on it?...no problem!,..here is our 8K Handycam so that you can record your vacations, your kids birthday or your cats in 8k to watch on your new 8K TV.
Anyone know if Adobe Premiere supports 8k?
CT
“...here is our 8K Handycam so that you can record your vacations, your kids birthday or your cats in 8k to watch on your new 8K TV.”
People shooting kids birthday parties and watching it (once) on their TV is a much bigger potential market for Sony. Margins are a different subject.
8K can be opened and edited in Vegas now, but the project and output is limited to 4096x4096. Media larger than 4096 scales down to project settings.
As a side note, if you match project settings to a 8192 x 4320 file, the project is set to square 4096 x 4096. It would be better if the aspect ratio was retained when one of the dimensions maxes out at 4096.
Nick Hope - Do you know of any (near) future plans to get 8k export into Vegas 16?
Nick Hope - Do you know of any (near) future plans to get 8k export into Vegas 16?
No
Cliff, your speculation is interesting, but misplaced. In particular, your references to the Tokyo Olympics and their implications are not supported by history.
Keep dreaming though -- the world needs you!
I suspect the Olympics that I watch for the rest of my life will look something like this...
... because of this...
8K is now being broadcast in Japan
1ST DEC 2018 8:00AM
https://www.newsshooter.com/2018/12/01/8k-is-now-being-broadcast-in-japan/
From the link: "Most Japanese are still watching HD broadcasts on HD televisions."
I can, like you did, quote some sentences taken from this link as below
Whether we like it or not, 8K is coming.
Don't mislead people , they should make their own choice .
Rgarding 8K, I definitely believe that Vegas should support it at its native resolution like its main competitors do..
We are many years away from ATSC 3.0 (4K) broadcasts in the US, so I wonder what makes people so impatient for something we don't have.
Looks like it is quite expensive to view 8k right now. Separate dish, TV and player. Americans are very reluctant to upgrade their TVs. Some stations have only been HD for a few years. And even though they broadcast in HD, a lot of their source (specifically some news) is still acquired at SD resolutions.
From the link: "Most Japanese are still watching HD broadcasts on HD televisions."
720p sets are very common here : ) It's what I have.
I was on a panel at an imaging workshop and felt bad for the guy doing 8k production work in 2016 for NHK as nothing was geared to it then.
"Rgarding 8K, I definitely believe that Vegas should support it at its native resolution like its main competitors do.."
It makes no financial sense to do so right now. There is no market for it. They shouldn't waste their time coding up 8k support at this time just so maybe >10% of their install base can output their 8k footage to an 8k format. As more >4k res 360 cameras and these new 8k displays and camcorders start to make their way into the consumer market, Magix will support it, but in the mean time there are a ton of other features that Vegas either lacks or needs updated that would benefit us all, and it would make much more financial sense for them to invest their time into those areas for now. If this CES drops a ton of 8k consumer gear into the market, it may make sense to start getting ready for the upgrade soon. They usually drop a new version of Vegas at the end of each summer, so maybe next summer you'll start hearing about 8k in Vegas 17. Until then, don't count on it.
Are you planning on rendering 8k files to be used on 8k displays (do you even have one?)... If you plan on rendering 4k, Vegas already will take in 8k media pixel for pixel and allows you to crop and stabilize the media without losing pixels, even when you render out at 4k. It just won't let you output the video to a rendered file at 8k resolution.
Don't worry, if 8k takes off, Magix won't be left in the dust for long. They might not support something day one, but they do it right when they do. Resolve was the first to support HDR (but couldn't encode it, and required special hardware to see it), then Premiere came along with its own half-baked version (didn't support Rec2020 and couldn't encode an HDR ready file, couldn't preview HDR at all), Vegas didn't support it for a while. Now you can get a 4K HDR TV for $400, it has become a mass market item, so Magix responds with the easiest and best HDR support for any app I've personally used. They support HDR on any modern GPU without the need for extra display output hardware, they allow you to edit the HDR metadata, they encode to an HDR ready HEVC file from within the program... and the HDR files I get out of Vegas come out looking better than any other app I've used.
Give it another version or two.