Any way to import media at original size?

DavidVegas wrote on 5/7/2019, 9:16 AM

Hi All,

New kid on the block. I've been a long term user of Adobe Premiere but not keen on subscription software so here to see what Vegas is like. I use a lot of text labels on my videos (medical work) that I like to create in Photoshop so they can have integral backgrounds with some design elements etc. They are all different lengths, base on the text needed, but all the same height so they don't look messy. In premiere, when you import media it does so at the original size of the media and you then have the ability to re-size as you require - it's a super easy workflow. So, all my text labels appear the same height when I import them. Easy. In Vegas Pro, it appears that media is resized on import(?!?!) - is there a way to simply say "Keep original resolution" when importing media? If so how (I looked at this a while back at it appeared you needed a crazy work-around!)?

Thanks.

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j-v wrote on 5/7/2019, 9:49 AM

As long as you stay in the bounderies of the program , which you find in the manual, you can use this button to set the program to the desired size of the project. But that is also in the manual to find.

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Eagle Six wrote on 5/7/2019, 10:57 AM

Hmm, I need to think about this one, should be an easy way. I create titles, banners, overlays, etc. on a transparent background the same resolution as my project, that way I see in Affinity how it sizes and the placement. Then in Vegas I can still move it around and size it with Pan & Crop (or Track Motion). Never did it your way.

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Kinvermark wrote on 5/7/2019, 11:01 AM

This may help:

Marco. wrote on 5/7/2019, 11:15 AM

Unfortunately in Vegas Pro the only way to have same result as in Premiere is either to manually ajdust the width and height values in Pan/Crop to the size of the project or to use a script which would automatically does this. If you have Vegasaur installed there is a one-click-command called "Original Size" which does this.

john_dennis wrote on 5/7/2019, 11:27 AM

"I use a lot of text labels on my videos (medical work) that I like to create in Photoshop so they can have integral backgrounds with some design elements etc."

The way I insure the size I want for still images is to size them in Photoshop on a transparent background at the Vegas Pro project pixel dimensions. You can put each element on a different layer and save in a Photoshop .psd file. When you import into Vegas Pro, right click the .psd file in Project Media and use the option Add across tracks. If you want to change the size or location after the fact, use Track Motion and/or Pan/Crop. Any future changes you make to the .psd file will appear instantly in Vegas when you save in Photoshop.

Easy. 

One can do a similar process with video by using "nesting" with the nested project set to the desired pixel dimensions.

Edit: Added demo video.

Musicvid wrote on 5/7/2019, 1:22 PM

Done it like this since VV2. That doesn't mean it is the best way, just the fastest I've found without a script. I, too, wish the Track Motion and Pan/Crop were more intuitive.

  • Open your project at source resolution, in this instance 1920x1080.
  • Place Text Image on the Track Above. It will fill the Width.
  • In the Event Context Menu or Properties, Uncheck Switches->Maintain Aspect
  • In Track Motion, set the Dimensions (from project resolution) to your Text Box Resolution (960x180). (Make sure the top row of track motion locks are unchecked.)
  • Finally, position the text with X-Y track motion controls.

Your text box is now at native size rather than project size. From there, Track Motion + Pan/Crop will give you the full suite of transform controls.

Marco. wrote on 5/7/2019, 1:35 PM

Another way is to use the "Small Image importer" offered by Happy Otter Scripts.

DavidVegas wrote on 5/7/2019, 4:06 PM

Wow - thanks guys! I've been on quite a few forums over the years - this place instantly feels particularly helpful! Thanks to all. The John Dennis version seems most logical to me but even that is a work-around (a good one). I think a simple checkbox "Keep Original Media Size" would be super useful! Don't reckon you should have to work around something so basic! :)

john_dennis wrote on 5/8/2019, 10:31 AM

The motive for my previous suggestion was based on the fact that you're already creating images in Photoshop. The underlying concept was to change the Photoshop Canvas size so Vegas Pro would not resize the image when adapting it to the project pixel dimensions. The way Vegas Pro does the adaptation is to expand one of the clip dimensions to match the analogous project dimension (width or height).  

The Vegas Pro analogy to changing the Photoshop Canvas size would be to change the dimension that Vegas Pro uses to expand the clip in event Pan/Crop. I don't consider the following proposal to be a workaround. Rather, it's just the way to achieve your goal given the way Vegas does things.

I'm intrigued by all the other proposals offered and will likely try them all.    

Musicvid wrote on 5/8/2019, 11:01 AM

The underlying concept was to change the Photoshop Canvas size so Vegas Pro would not resize the image when adapting it to the project pixel dimensions.

That, of course, is the soundest reasoning, and is my preferred method when I have full control over my layer creation. On the other hand, custom sizing and placing each text layer first in Photoshop may be more time-consuming when working under a production schedule, I have found.

It might be more accurate to say that the j_d method is designed to bypass Vegas' software scaling, not as a workaround, but as the most direct method, with the collateral advantage of also being the sharpest and least-processed. Good explanation, j-d!

Again, neither Track Motion nor Pan/Crop are very intuitive, more of an intellectual than production tool.

Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 11:01 AM

As @Marco. suggest, I think the 'Small Image Importer' would be a way to save the stills already created, although I get an error when using it, if I understand how it works, that may be a work around for the past.

For the future, as I and @john_dennis posted, the best method I think is to create the project resolutions in Photoshop with the appropriate sized text within it, then bring it into the project. This isn't a work around, just the appropriate work flow required.

I also don't see an issue with @DavidVegas's suggestion to add a option in preferences "Keep Original Media Size", so maybe this should be posted in the future features request thread.

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3POINT wrote on 5/8/2019, 12:15 PM

I use a lot of text labels on my videos (medical work) that I like to create in Photoshop so they can have integral backgrounds with some design elements etc. They are all different lengths, base on the text needed, but all the same height so they don't look messy.

What's wrong with the Title tools Vegas offers?

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john_dennis wrote on 5/8/2019, 12:46 PM

"I also don't see an issue with @DavidVegas's suggestion to add a option in preferences "Keep Original Media Size", so maybe this should be posted in the future features request thread."

I've never done a Feature Request, but this might be my first.

I would like to see an implementation like this...

...where a Right-Click option would prompt Vegas to bypass the scaling that Vegas Pro applies to make the media fit to the project pixel dimensions. I designed the user interface just to push Magix along.

Eagle Six wrote on 5/8/2019, 12:55 PM
 

...where a Right-Click option would prompt Vegas to bypass the scaling that Vegas Pro applies to make the media fit to the project pixel dimensions. I designed the user interface just to push Magix along.

@john_dennis vry good, now they have the interface all they need is the code!

+1

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Kinvermark wrote on 5/8/2019, 3:06 PM

+2 . I support anything that saves time & mouse clicks :)

Dimitrios wrote on 5/8/2019, 5:14 PM

I think you should also do what Kinvermark suggested with auto cropping as it will more often than not save you having to select to match the project frame. If the the image is the same frame ratio it will scale up or down.

@3POINT "What's wrong with the Title tools Vegas offers?" I mean if I want to have different color letters or words in vegas outside protype titler I literally have to create two instances of the same text, and use masking. This seems like something that should be a pretty basic feature. The standard text plugins are OK, between the 3 of them you can do some decent stuff but each one has their own quirks. Legacy Text is my favorite but is the most bare bones, Titles and Text, I dunno it just seems hard to make decent outlines and feels like fewer fonts work, ProType Titler has more of a learning curve, doesn't work on everyones systems and I find it difficult to position and time. Adding a gradient to Legacy or Titles and Text is a pain. ProType Titler can make a gradient easier. Legacy is the best IMO for outlines and dropshadow, it's easy, looks good and can quickly help your text pop or appear to glow or look more defined. Titles and Text has a few animations built in, most are pretty bad under most circumstances but a few of them are all right. So theres pro's and con's for all 3. But if I'm looking to make a nice title, thats easier to position, use a gradient, have text be more than one color or have animation I'm not doing it in VEGAS because almost anything else would be better. If I wanna do something outside simple text I'm doing it outside VEGAS. I like hitfilm, for most people they could simply get hitfilm express for free then do their titles and export a transparent PNG that can easily be used it VEGAS.

DavidVegas wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:11 AM

Once again thanks guys. I didn't mean any slight by "workaround" - and I can see it's not accurate. A feature request to get this added, as John D. has outlined would be great.

3POINT wrote on 5/9/2019, 5:35 AM

@Dimitrios, you're mentioning definitely some disadvantages of the Vegas Titletools in creating Titles, like the need for masking when creating different coloured or gradient text. For static text a creative package as Photoshop probably has more features to offer, but can you make an Textanimation with Photoshop?

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Dimitrios wrote on 5/9/2019, 4:43 PM

@3POINT No or well maybe I dunno I never used photoshop, im a Krita or Gimp, more so discovering just how good Krita is but even if there was it would probably not be very good as it's not what the tool is best at. Just like VEGAS isn't the best at making titles 😛

3POINT wrote on 5/10/2019, 12:18 AM

I admit, that the Vegas Titletools could/should be improved, but I don't believe that this every will happen. As long as NB Titler can be bought separately.

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Dimitrios wrote on 5/10/2019, 12:19 PM

It's not a priority, but it would be nice if they started combining the capabilities of their various plugins.

3POINT wrote on 5/10/2019, 12:34 PM

The problem with that is than the possibility to re-edit older projects will be lost. At the moment there already three different Titletools, a fourth would look overdue.

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vkmast wrote on 5/10/2019, 12:59 PM

I've seen comments that a new/better titler is long overdue. On the other hand, a fourth might be overkill or overdoing it.

Musicvid wrote on 5/10/2019, 1:29 PM

I use a lot of text labels on my videos (medical work) that I like to create in Photoshop so they can have integral backgrounds with some design elements etc. They are all different lengths, base on the text needed, but all the same height so they don't look messy.

What's wrong with the Title tools Vegas offers?

At least for my optical disc titles and menus, Photoshop PSD is just cleaner.

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