Community Question: FX Bypass in Preview

VEGASDerek wrote on 4/21/2020, 12:56 PM

I have noticed a recurring theme with both VEGAS Pro and VEGAS Movie Studio where users get hung up with the "FX Bypass" toggle in the preview display. One solution I am proposing our team do would to no longer have this setting persist when the application is closed.

What do you all think about this? If we do not save this setting, would that disrupt anyone's workflow significantly? Do we need a setting that allows users to persist it if they want?

Let us know your thoughts!

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j-v wrote on 4/21/2020, 1:58 PM

Look good to me, because a lot of users don't even know that they did that and when a FX is added it stays always . That button is ( afaik) only for temporary viewing.

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Musicvid wrote on 4/21/2020, 2:03 PM

A little red "led" next to the bypass button would be enough reminder for me.

michael-harrison wrote on 4/21/2020, 2:06 PM

@VEGASDerek I'd be good with it either not being persistent or some very obvious indicator that it's on. If you could have some text show up briefly, like your trial watermark, during replay, I'd like that even better. esp if the fx-off watermark can be toggled in prefs.
 

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Former user wrote on 4/21/2020, 2:14 PM

Not being persistent and like Musicvid, a BIG LED next to it to alert it is enabled.

vkmast wrote on 4/21/2020, 2:39 PM

Wouldn't do any harm to add "FX bypass" besides "Split Screen View" to the info you get hovering over the button.

There's of course currently the FAQ about this (linked to in Nick's main FAQ). But "Search" (Find...) doesn't seem to be very actively used anyway, probably due to its somewhat limited set of filters.

3POINT wrote on 4/21/2020, 2:55 PM

My FX bypass get's blue when I activate it. A dot which option has been selected would be useful:

vkmast wrote on 4/21/2020, 3:00 PM

@3POINT Absolutely.

adis-a3097 wrote on 4/21/2020, 3:05 PM

Not being persistent and like Musicvid, a BIG LED next to it to alert it is enabled.

Make it flashing, please!

 

Oh, what about bypass on a event and track level? And audio as well? 😘

michael-harrison wrote on 4/21/2020, 4:10 PM

@adis-a3097 Those bypasses already exist. right-click on the fx icon and you'll see "bypass all, etc"

Now, I wish the "enable all" was more like an "un-bypass" but that's for another thread

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frmax wrote on 4/21/2020, 4:32 PM

In my opinion the assignment of FxBypass to splitscreen menu is ambiguous, especially if it becomes persistent.
My suggestion would be to separate FxBypass from the menu and display it as a single button that shows a bright colour when activated.

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rraud wrote on 4/21/2020, 5:56 PM

"A little red "led" next to the bypass button would be enough reminder for me."

.. or the flashing icon alert.

Dexcon wrote on 4/21/2020, 6:03 PM

I like the suggestion from @frmax

A similar highlight would for Auto Ripple activated would also be much appreciated.

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adis-a3097 wrote on 4/21/2020, 6:16 PM

@adis-a3097 Those bypasses already exist. right-click on the fx icon and you'll see "bypass all, etc"

Now, I wish the "enable all" was more like an "un-bypass" but that's for another thread

Oh, thanks! :)

fr0sty wrote on 4/21/2020, 7:13 PM

My suggestion, for users that do not know the bypass even exists, put a "FX Bypassed: Press the FX Bypass Button (or list a keyboard shortcut) to show FX" printed across the bottom of the screen in small print. That would probably be helpful. Allow that message to be disabled in settings for users that do not want it there.

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Former user wrote on 4/21/2020, 10:03 PM

Also, this needs to be a sticky that we can link to rather than giving the same answer in ten different ways.

john_dennis wrote on 4/22/2020, 12:33 AM

I would be happy if the setting didn't persist through a restart of Vegas. About the only time I ever user it is when I'm doing color matching.

walter-i. wrote on 4/22/2020, 2:26 AM

I would be happy if the setting didn't persist through a restart of Vegas. About the only time I ever user it is when I'm doing color matching.

+1 Walter

Since the best problem solving tactic in the computing world is to turn the device off and on again, it would suffice in my opinion, as @VEGASDerek suggested.
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fifonik wrote on 4/22/2020, 3:08 AM

I do not remember if I ever wanted to have the option to be persistent. However, the whole idea to implement feature that will use program restart to solve some issue looks weird for me. It is also non-standard design feature and I only seen it once (in NeatVideo).

I'd rather prefer flashing icon (as suggested by @rraud) or separate button that became red when turned ON (as suggested by @frmax).

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musko wrote on 4/22/2020, 3:26 AM

I... One solution I am proposing our team do would to no longer have this setting persist when the application is closed.

A little red "led" next to the bypass button would be enough reminder for me.


Not remembered this setting and @Musicvid suggestion is a good way

3POINT wrote on 4/22/2020, 3:46 AM

About the only time I ever user it is when I'm doing color matching.

I use it quite often, it's a perfect tool to match the result of the stabilization tool. What most people also don't know is that you can change the area in the preview where FX are bypassed by dragging a window in the preview with your mouse. So not only selecting right/left or all, but just your own designated area.

For me there's no need the reset the setting after closing Vegas/VMS.

When there's a thing that should be reset after closing Vegas/VMS is the setting of "Sync cursor to media timeline" button in the event. Can sometimes be very annoying, when stays active and when not needed.

 

frmax wrote on 4/22/2020, 8:32 AM

The visual comparison of the edited video with the source material is especially interesting for colorgrading, but also for many other Fx.
I would much rather have a second source monitor next to the well-known preview monitor than switching back and forth or setting only half of the preview screen. Many other NLE offer this.
My workaround with the trimmer monitor is not satisfying because the synchronization with the timeline or preview does not work.


Would it be so difficult to create a synchronized, but otherwise virtually non-functional source monitor from the trimmer code?
  

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diverG wrote on 4/22/2020, 11:19 AM

Ran into problems with the 'slit screen view' for the first time today when the preview window locked up. The manual gave a clue to the exit sequence in order to correct matters. An extra sentence in the manual might well clarify the 'click' sequence to resume normal service. What is not clear is that the 'Slit screen view' button is a toggle switch.

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bvideo wrote on 4/22/2020, 2:16 PM

Not sure red lights, even blinking, will be very helpful to users who don't already know all about these various mode settings. Some text could be made available, perhaps under the help menu, e.g. the "idiot light" reference.

Melachrinoso wrote on 1/3/2021, 1:49 PM

I upgraded to Vegas Pro 18 and encountered the Fx Bypass dilemma as described here. But worse, when I edit an Fx, say Cookie Cutter, the adjustment does not show on the Preview Screen until I turn the Cookie Cutter window off. Obviously unacceptable for editing. My Vegas Pro 10 is instantaneous, What am I doing wrng ?