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Dexcon wrote on 2/19/2021, 5:51 AM

One available access is item 29 in https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-faqs-and-troubleshooting-guides--104787/

But the link goes to something called the Wayback Machine and, if using Edge, will auto download to your download folder - ever, ever so slowly.

EDIT: But after supposedly downloading as a zip file it opened with advice that it was an invalid file and winzip said that it was empty.

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Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

vkmast wrote on 2/19/2021, 5:59 AM

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/benchmarking--116285/ has a link

See also this (and the thread): https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/standard-media-files-for-rendering-comparisons-and-benchmarking--124618/#ca775640

 

RogerS wrote on 2/19/2021, 6:03 AM

Current benchmarking thread and link to sample project is here:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/benchmarking-results-continued--118503/

JN- wrote on 2/19/2021, 9:01 AM

Media and Veggies Links please.

Thank you

@Grazie The FHD “Red Car” test was previously used, its not a UHD, 4K test, it is still useful. A good while back, users saw that with more powerful machines it would be more beneficial to use a 4K benchmarking project instead of FHD. So to facilitate the requirement JV- converted the FHD Magix Sample project that came with VP to a 4K project. Thats whats now used in the Benchmarking continued project.

The key limitation of using the Red Car test is that the playback FPS values would be the same, i.e. max value, for say two different machines, even though one machine might be more powerful than the other. Currently no PC has saturated, reached, the max value of 25fps of the Benchmarking project, this is why it’s better to use the Red Car test to only measure render times with more modern machines.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

Grazie wrote on 2/19/2021, 9:24 AM

@JN- - O....K.... So what TESTs do you guys wish to put my new MONSTA2! through?

JN- wrote on 2/19/2021, 9:35 AM

@Grazie Well, obviously the Benchmarking continued test, after that whatever you wish. I don’t post Red Car or any other results in that thread, so don’t bother including any Red Car results there.

My suggestion is that since there is an interest? in the Red Car testing by @TheRhino and others, to start a new Red Car benchmarking thread, maybe @TheRhino or someone else can look after it. Don’t use it for measuring FPS values, for the reason given in my above post, use only for render tests.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

TheRhino wrote on 2/19/2021, 2:25 PM

@JN- IMO the old Red Car test from the Vegas 11 era is probably not long-enough to be useful anymore... Normally I get 14 second renders on my 9900K / VEGA 64 LQ system, but if I shut-down every background app, drive index, etc., and prioritize Vegas, I can shave-off 1-2 seconds. With such a short render, 2 seconds is about a 15% improvement, right? But if I run a much longer render, like the 4K tests, it only shaves-off those same 2 seconds... So it was good comparing the LAST generation of CPU/GPU combos to the current generation, but not variances in today's newer CPU/GPU combos.

Unfortunately I'm still teaching full-time & working my studio part-time so not much time to keep track of a benchmark spreadsheet. I appreciate that you, @JN- , are willing to keep track of the data because it helps all of us with hardware purchases, etc... Techgage sometimes posts Vegas benchmarks but they ran the V18 benchmarks before the latest Nvidia & AMD GPUs were released...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

JN- wrote on 2/19/2021, 2:49 PM

@TheRhino I agree with all of that, and for sure working full time rules it out. I remember that previously I also got great Red Car results using QSV and the non DCH drivers, about 1 sec. slower than yours.

Maybe one benchmarking project is enough to be going on with anyway. Despite our interest in all of this, it’s probably a minority interest really. There are an awful lot more users that have not used it than have.

I'm sure though, for those that are aware of it’s existence that it’s of use in making an informed decision re: upgrading and new builds.

Perhaps some day Magix will implement theirs.

Maybe worth to mention. When deciding which way to go, update, modify, upgrade the Red Car existing project to 4K or the Magix Sample Project FHD version to 4K, one of the deciding factors was that it might be a little difficult getting agreement from Sony and or contributors to that project, see all of the credits at the end.

So it was felt safer, easier to go with in house project. So far Magix has never raised an eyebrow.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/19/2021, 4:22 PM

Of course it depends on what you use Vegas for, but I find the Red Car the most representative of how I use it. Which is to edit multicam footage that I shoot. More so than any other Vegas benchmark I've seen. It's only failing is that the camera footage it was supplied with is only 50 mbps HD which is not as advanced as today's cameras, cpus, and gpu boards. But that was easy enough to remedy by swapping in some real-life 10-bit 4k 60mbps HEVC footage I shot with a Zcam E2. I particularly like the original project's balanced mix of PIP, many of the FX I use regularly, as well as an assortment of media generators so I didn't touch any of that at all. I keep the original and my media-modified Red Cars on an online google drive (see my signature... credit to @JN- for that inspiration). Also got my pip benchmark in the same place for comparing Vegas and DaVinci.The pip bench is strictly 4K HEVC zlog2 with LUT... of special interest to me because that's been my format of choice.

Musicvid wrote on 2/19/2021, 8:37 PM

@Grazie here's a working link to the Red Car archive.

Will come down in a couple of days because it is 2.5 GB

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1juHSletjZ366pPuKyZj4hMsDKAXQBlYJ

Grazie wrote on 2/20/2021, 12:08 AM

@Musicvid - Of course! Thank you. I’ve just got up, but I’ll be on the case early this morning and start the DL.

BTW, this MONSTA2! just adores rendering. Early indications are stunning. See the post I did on an Event with NeatVideo heavy lifting settings 😃. Also, whilst using MOCHAPRO Remove, it did it in Double FrameRate.

Grazie wrote on 2/20/2021, 12:59 AM

Many thanks to all of you for treating me with such patience, and preparing files for me, etc - Thank You 🙏!

OK, Veg loaded lickerty-split. No rendering, yet, but initial playing back of Timeline gives me SOLID, unwavering FPS. No bumps or shakes or .... whatever, just a beautiful piece of filming and editing treatment. Is this what y’ll get anyway?

Next stage renderings - yes? Or should I be doing something else? It starting to come back to me.... The different regions and so on. Yeah!

Grazie wrote on 2/20/2021, 2:14 AM

Ermmm... ??

Full Project.

XDCAM EX HQ 1920x1080-60i, 35 Mbps Render = 18 seconds

I must be doing something wrong? If not, then WOWeee 😃

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/21/2021, 12:28 PM

@Grazie If you have the time and the patience to pull the h265 one down, I'd be interested to know how long this one takes to render to nvenc avc 4k...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oIW-RTnSH_l9AIEqh3uHF3xTs8SZI_XF/view?usp=sharing

 

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 12:48 PM

@Howard-Vigorita - Yeah, well, kinda run out of something similar, patience.

Musicvid wrote on 2/21/2021, 1:19 PM

@Grazie So you've grabbed the .zip file? Google Drive is sending me upsell bait, so I need to clean house.

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 1:46 PM

🧼 🧽

@Musicvid - Roll up yer sleeves! Thanks again.