Vegas can't import my timelapse movie , error , other software can

Wiew wrote on 12/12/2020, 5:04 PM

This is shot with my Brinno TLC200Pro timelapse camera

I can't import it in Vegas , I get an error when I try the media import

I tested it together with my friend Reyfox , He also can't import it

So we tested it in other editing programs

The file works perfect in ;

Pinnacle Studio

Video Pro X

Hitfilm Pro

VideoStudio Pro

And it can be played in all players ... media player , VLC player , ....

Here is the link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fcuh9jqw5boz291/TLC00000.AVI?dl=0

 

 

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john_dennis wrote on 12/12/2020, 5:27 PM

You need an MJPEG decoder. I used to have a camera that used that codec, but I got rid of the camera and converted all my old clips to uncompressed so I wouldn't have to fool with it any more.

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Wiew wrote on 12/12/2020, 5:42 PM

@john_denns thank you for the info

I don't ask you this next question, but on the group ...

Why isn't this standard in Vegas ? All the other software seems to have it ?

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wwaag wrote on 12/12/2020, 5:44 PM

You can easily import it using the ImportAssist tool in HOS. You'll have to transcode it, but it's pretty quick. Here's the UI and the result.

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john_dennis wrote on 12/12/2020, 6:00 PM

HOS / Import Assist is your best bet. It's so easy, even I was able to do it.

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Musicvid wrote on 12/12/2020, 7:50 PM

To answer your question, MJPEG encoders must be licensed, and as a deprecated format, has never been seen as worth raising your cost of purchase.

Paid AVI MJPEG solutions include (more or less) Morgan, PicVideo, and MainConcept. MOV can also used to wrap jpeg / mjpeg.

Handbrake and ffmpeg will also convert your video to a native Vegas format.

Wiew wrote on 12/12/2020, 11:58 PM

Thanks everyone , I know that I can convert it with soft like handbrake and other

I acually did it that way before I posted it on the forum

So It was more of a question why Vegas can't and others can.

@wwaag ; thank you for the HOS tip !

@Musicvid ; Like always it's all about the money ;-)

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lenard wrote on 12/13/2020, 1:05 AM

People like to make excuses for Magix 'they're a small team' most often heard, but as far as money, I don't think that's it. A number of the patented codecs Vegas uses are activated the first time you use them, and if they are never used, they're never activated and one would assume a licence fee is never paid. Only licencing information of mjpeg I found were articles saying it appeared to not be patent encumbered itself but likely fall under jpg patents. There are no licence fee's payable on jpg

RogerS wrote on 12/13/2020, 2:52 AM

I think the most likely explanation is that it was a niche format, and if on top of that had licensing fees, it was never deemed worth it to implement.

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Wiew wrote on 12/13/2020, 3:01 AM

We have HOS as a workaround. That is ok for me.:-)

Wiew wrote on 12/13/2020, 3:14 AM

@wwaag  A small suggestion

I don't know if it is even possible , but it would be faster and easier if you could just drop your files from the Vegas explorer into the HOS import assist if you want to alter some file. Just an idea ...

lan-mLMC wrote on 12/13/2020, 4:53 AM

Your video is MJPEG. MJPEG video can be imported into VEGAS Pro, see here.

The problem of your video is that it misses audio stream. What you need to do is adding any mp3 stream to it using some tools like Xmedia Recode.

Then it will be reconized by VEGAS Pro. ( If still can't, another thing you might need is K-lite codec pack which has been already installed in my computer.)

It will not reduce your video quality because all video stream is copied.

vkmast wrote on 12/13/2020, 5:23 AM

Re codec packs, please note section 12 here (and some of the following discussion there). You always install those at your own risk. See also this comment (and the thread).

lenard wrote on 12/13/2020, 5:26 AM

Marvelous research and testing @lan-mLMC , @Wiew you might change the solution to the real answer. But back to your question, why do other editors and players load but vegas rejects? It see's it as non compliant without the audio track. I have noticed problems like that before with video with no audio or an audio track it doesn't believe it compliant, while other editors will happily load.

I have confirmed Ian's testing with adding audio without re-encode of video to allow vegas toload

Wiew wrote on 12/13/2020, 5:48 AM

@lan-mLMC Thank you for your testing work and analyse

@lenard If Vegas shows the same problem with other video files without audio (or non complaint audio), I think it is something the program makers should definitely solve.

My idea ... it should always import the video file also if the audio is not recognised

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Reyfox wrote on 12/13/2020, 6:09 AM

I was surprised when Vegas didn't import the file, and the other editors had no problem.

While it might not be a "popular" format, everything else we used handled it with no problem without converting.

I personally have no problems importing the video I shoot, but it would be nice to have an editor that will handle as many formats as possible.

 

wwaag wrote on 12/13/2020, 3:32 PM

Building on the detective work of @lan-mLMC here's an FFmpeg command line that works for those preferring a simple command line solution.

ffmpeg -y -f lavfi -i aevalsrc=0 -i "C:\Users\wwaag\Downloads\TLC00000.AVI" -c:v copy -c:a aac -map 0 -map 1:v -shortest "C:\Temp\TLC00000-01.avi"

It adds a "silent" audio stream. When imported into Vegas, the audio stream is ignored leaving just the video stream.

@Wiew

"I don't know if it is even possible , but it would be faster and easier if you could just drop your files from the Vegas explorer into the HOS import assist if you want to alter some file."

That's a good idea. Unfortunately, since IA is a script, once launched, you cannot access anything in the Vegas UI. The only solution would be to retool IA as a full extension--something I've considered, but haven't decided if its worth the effort.

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Musicvid wrote on 12/13/2020, 4:39 PM

I think the most likely explanation is that it was a niche format, and if on top of that had lensing fees, it was never deemed worth it to implement.

@RogerS

Canon's re-introduction of MJPEG MOV in some of its DSLRs promises a return to better support for different AVI flavors in the near future, I think.

wwaag wrote on 12/13/2020, 6:44 PM

@Wiew

Just added an Mjpeg option to ImportAssist that uses the above command line so that no transcoding is required. Here' a demo.

For anyone using HOS, the new ImportAssist dll with this addition can be downloaded here. https://www.dropbox.com/s/8lbdq4jp7ukndat/ImportAssist.dll?dl=0 Just download and copy to C:\ProgramData\HappyOtterScripts\Magix Vegas Pro\Scripts. Also make sure that the file is not blocked.

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RogerS wrote on 12/13/2020, 10:31 PM

I think the most likely explanation is that it was a niche format, and if on top of that had licensing fees, it was never deemed worth it to implement.

@RogerS

Canon's re-introduction of MJPEG MOV in some of its DSLRs promises a return to better support for different AVI flavors in the near future, I think.

Ah yes, I'd forgotten the higher-end Canons circa 2016 (5dMKIV, etc.) used this format. Looks like the latest ones (R series) aren't using it.

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Wiew wrote on 12/14/2020, 12:52 AM

@wwaag Wow !! thank you very much !!

Reyfox wrote on 12/14/2020, 5:06 AM

@wwaag you are brilliant!

john_dennis wrote on 12/14/2020, 7:44 AM

@Wiew

[Techno-philosophical comments on timelapse and construction]

If you speed the video up enough, all the people will disappear and the work will do itself.

Example:

With the possible exception of this guy who seems to spend all day standing at the edge of the trench. That is no mean feat when you speed up the timelapse as much as you can and he/she is still visible while the sun crosses the sky.

It's possible that construction project managers are taught that concept in college. I've never heard one ever say "Let's relax the schedule so we can get to spend more time with our families."

[/Techno-philosophical comments on timelapse and construction]

@Reyfox

And yes, @wwaag is brilliant.

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Wiew wrote on 12/14/2020, 10:06 AM

@john_dennis Lol , Some information ...., during the renovation of the road ...the road workers had come across an archaeological find. A team of archaeologists was called in and I was asked to document the excavation and find.

Every day many interested local residents came to ask what they were actually doing. Some even thought it was a find of a bom from the world war

These recordings were intended as b-roll. Because the excavation and recovery of the find was too expensive, it was eventually decided to close everything up and just put a new street over it.

Reyfox wrote on 12/14/2020, 10:07 AM

Because the excavation and recovery of the find was too expensive, it was eventually decided to close everything up and just put a new street over it.

A sad commentary....